Spiritual Forum

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  Dreamsicle March 18, 2013 at 2:51am

  "It's a shame things are not a bed of roses as we've been hearing for a really  long time; this all will most likely take a while... I've been worried about the  future too lately... seems like many ppl have these days.."

  This isn't directed towards you philo, but everyone in general. Thank you for your statement to lead me into this discussion.

   

  People who believe life is a bed of roses are lying to themselves. In life, there is suffering. Some people are lucky enough to go years without trouble or conflict (or make excuses for the bad shit happening around them to help them sleep at night, hey, whatever works, to each their own), but sometime somewhere, suffering pops it's conflicting head.

   

  From http://www.biblegateway.com/blog/2012/07/why-does-god-allow-tragedy... Why does God Allow Tragedy and Suffering? - Now don't close your mind and be like, "ew the bible"... that's pretty childish to disregard it without even reading it. I mean, even personally, I'm still under the impression that the bible was created by man, for man, and everything "magical" was a fabrication (if not all then 99% of it). But I still believe there are a lot of helpful explanations for things (as well as some not so helpful things, but that's not the intent of my message). The author of the following text (full article above) mentions how at least Jesus didn't lie about it. He straight out said that you will experience suffering. He didn't sugar coat it.

   

  "I started this talk with part of what Jesus said in John 16:33. Now let me give you the entire verse: “I have told you these things so that in me you may have peace. You will have suffering in this world. But be courageous! I have conquered the world.”

  In other words, He offers us the two very things we need when we’re hurting: peace to deal with our present and courage to deal with our future. How? Because he has conquered the world! Through His own suffering and death, He has deprived this world of its ultimate power over you. Suffering doesn’t have the last word anymore. Death doesn’t have the last word anymore. God has the last word!"

   

  You can either CHOOSE to make something positive out of your own suffering, or you can CHOOSE to become bitter. "They say" (they = Jesus followers, at least on the weblink above) that if you choose to trust in God, he will help you find the light at the end of the tunnel. If you trust that your suffering isn't in vain, he will help you persevere. Now I don't translate that as, "Go ahead and walk into a burning building to save children because you'll have a magical cloak protecting you from nature (fire)" (be realistic or you will get burned)... I see it as, if you choose to find the silver lining in all things, realistically and not delusionally, eventually you'll be able to see how that experience has helped you grow as a person. Maybe you'll do something good with it, maybe you won't. But hopefully you'll be better for your experiences.

   

  I think that if Jesus was actually a real man and could talk to us today, he would probably go through the bible and be like, "alright, let me set the record straight and show you what I actually said, and what other people made up or misconstrued.." Because I know a lot of people have some resentment towards any belief systems regarding Jesus because of all the bologna that people have tied to his name. But remember, not everything is 100% factual. It's up to you to decide what you'll believe as real and not. --- And if you're able to believe in ascension and/or aliens... it's a little contradicting to not believe in Jesus. At least Jesus was realistic in his messages and didn't fabricate his stories with aliens and false promises. Unless you wanna argue about heaven, but then one could argue heaven is a state of mind.

   

  It doesn't matter in the end anyways. Whatever happens, happens. We'll know when we get there. In the meantime, keep your seatbelts buckled and try to enjoy the ride!
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  Auorix March 17, 2013 at 8:22pm

  i guess so if you think it..the kingdom of heaven is within..its up to you to find it.
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  Goddess of Beauty March 17, 2013 at 8:19pm

  Hi darling, ascencion will happen when you LEAST expect. You must forget for a miracle to happen and the world would end so suddenly or massive aliens will come. This will NOT happen so soon believe me. Maybe by 2030. U must FIGHT with life and NOT escape though I know it's not easy. U need to confront ur responsabilities. we all have problems. ur so young, u have a lot to do. it's when YOU really feel ur REALLY ready, ONLY THEN u will ascend. I was always paranoid about the 2012 till I got a dream which warned me it's all a hoax and ascension will happen ONLY WHEN WE'RE ALL REALLY READY AND I FEEL I'M NOT YET. escaping is not the solution...we're all old souls bored and exhausted here but a LITTLE effort more, we're SO CLOSE now...i told u around 2030 be ready...maybe a bit before
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  Michael March 17, 2013 at 1:59pm

  the key words~ what are we waiting for ?

  you just said it. you are waiting for others to do it for you instead of working on your self and changing your life for better. Don't tell me you cant better your body and mind ?

  why wait for others? is that the purpose in your life ?
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  Dreamsicle March 17, 2013 at 1:14pm

  Ouch. How mad would you be if God/Source opened up the sky and said, "Son, there's no such thing as ascension as other humans have told you. You are meant to live your life just like humans have been doing for centuries, and will continue to long after your death."?

   

  Maybe the issue is that you think sheldan nidle knows the answer... maybe it's time to take a break from him...?

   

  Listen bud, you're gonna dislike me for what I have to say... but logically speaking, you're still going to have to pay off your debts. If you're in America, you can always file for bankruptcy to get your debts voided out... but that's going to stay on your credit report for 7 years. So if you don't plan on getting a house or a loan until then, consider it (but not until you do your research on what filing for bankruptcy means!) Don't you think this "ascension" fad is like an "easy out"? Do you really think that sounds realistic?

  I don't know what "prosperity programs" are but don't throw all your eggs into one basket. Praying (no matter what you want to call it) for money isn't going to get you money. Either get another job, sell stuff you don't actually need or use. Take on a roommate. Or move back in with the parents. You could play the lottery but you'll probably end up wasting more money than you might actually win.

  You know those people who convince people that the world is going to end, that they can talk to God, and that "their followers" need to sell all their possessions to give to the "chosen one" so they can spread the word (and pay for the "chosen ones" bills) that the world is ending where later, after the doomsday date passes, "the followers" (and the public who was following along) realize they were duped and now have nothing because they were gullible enough to believe "the speaker"? Have you ever considered that believing in this "ascension" is very similar?
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  John Jancar March 17, 2013 at 12:19pm

  I understand what you're feeling too, even though....I take it one day at a time. If you start thinking too much about when's and if's, you'll drive yourself crazy. I know it's difficult too, when you have money problems...and there's so much things on the plate, and you're uncertain of the future.

  Sometimes me too I think...well what's taking so long, don't you understand there's people here struggling. Don't these world leaders know what billions of people are going through...why do they have to drag their feet so much. But...there's nothing to do about it really. As much as I'd like to be, I'm not in control of that.

  The only real thing to do is accept things as they are....and take it one day at a time. I mean what other choice is there. To feel bad, and desperate, and frustrated. It's normal to be frustrated, but eventually you have to make peace with how things are....just for your own peace of mind. And if you're struggling with money, you'll have to make some decisions. Selling your car....or moving to a cheaper place...or finding a better paying job...things like that. It's tough but...that's how it is...for now at least.

  There's not much else to say except, stay strong...stay positive...and do what you need to do. Eventually it'll all happen....hopefully lol And then we can look back on all this, and say....man I'm glad that's over lol
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  STAR* March 17, 2013 at 11:01am

  Hey my friend... thanks for your message to me earlier :) 

  All I can say is don't feel desperate...and you are not alone. It is frustrating life... but you need to stop giving someone else power over what will happen over your own life. You are responsible for your own ascension, not any channel or any god. Please remember this.♥

    Ascension and raising awareness is something which takes a period of time and energy, IT does not happen all in one big giant step ;)

  Remember this planet has been going through evolutions stage for ages  ;)

  Everybody on earth chose to be here at this time, there is no EASY routes... life to BREATHE is a gift ♥

  ALSO isn't this planet truly beautiful as she is?♥ why would anyone want to leave to run into 5d ;) ;) lol ....

  I know I am staying RIGHT HERE, and i am bringing my own 5d HERE  :D ♥

  Stay blessed my friend indigo... dont worry too much .. :))
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    latinoindigo2012 > STAR* March 17, 2013 at 10:04pm

    thanks Star I liked your words and your pink hearts !!
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  Purificación March 17, 2013 at 10:53am

  Hi, dear latinoindigo.

  Being in a similar situation to yours, having been doing lightwork like you, for a few years, having felt excited so often, trusting the so many promises from "Heaven" ("the 21st Dec. would be the end of negativity" being one of the many) and making people know about them and the New Age, no matter what they could think of me.

  Having taken important decisions in my life due to those promises, decisions that i now regret and am paying for as the reality around keeps the same, etc, etc, etc... the fact that now they say things like "it takes time for things to manifest" , "it"s your choice if you don't trust and you will be there where your energy fits"... Really, i hope that those who keep trusting get at some time there where they wish, but i need to "put my feet on the floor" as we say here. (And where is that tv channel that they would create to make people aware? They did say so, too).

  Sorry for not being encouraging but i understand how you feel and wish you all the best.
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  Peter Panayiotis Karanikas March 17, 2013 at 7:39am

  Unfortunately, people have got caught up with the dream of the ascension. Which is very real.

  And failed to recognize that there was work that had to be done to make it happen.

  Fortunately, it's never to late to start.

  we will be in the galactic ascension energies for another 18 years.