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  nami December 31, 2022 at 1:51pm

  I don't think consciousness sleeps.
  Only the body sleeps.
  I am aware that I am awake even when I am asleep.
  I sometimes have dangerous scenes in my dreams.
  However, at that time, I realized that "it's okay because it's in a dream".
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    Roaring Lovely > nami December 31, 2022 at 3:44pm

    This is to say your dreams are lucid. So are mine, but to me, it was not always so. That's the good of lucid dreams. They can turn an otherwise nightmare into a great fun!☺
    
    ...But I am careful not to lucid-dream about being around the very room I am sleeping in, lol!😆
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  Ꮙℓἇ∂ἇ.. ኔጡ። December 30, 2022 at 9:05am

  The body knows the difference between a lucid dream state realm and a 3D reality consciousness as when the lucid dream is over the sub conscious awakens also. (controlling the subconscious = collision between conscious and subconscious) this is achieved by entering a state of body and mind where body is totally still (nearly impossible) and mind is totally empty (also nearly impossible).you can achieve this state by the well known means of "meditation". also meditation cannot be achieved without complete body and mind equilibrium meaning you must have a trained body and trained mind to do that. the only people that are seriously doing it are monks.when you catch yourself awake is when the conscious and subconscious collide...you can bring info from subconscious to conscious learning things you think you dont know.but actually (Im 100% certain) in subconscious there are all the info about the world or else there's every single thing that humans are able of knowing and understanding or else subconscious is the place where you can meet the limits of potential as a human being! being awake=conscious. being "asleep"=subconscious. also "asleep" DOES NOT MEAN SLEEPING! there's no actual sleeping. nobody really sleeps! the thing is that when you're "asleep" you're just getting access in the subconscious part of your brain. this part is about data that you dont know that exists in your brain when your awake or not asleep...Hmm now I bet all that's got you really thinking..
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    Roaring Lovely > Ꮙℓἇ∂ἇ.. ኔጡ። December 30, 2022 at 11:31am

    The ability of the body to differentiate between the wake state and the dream state lessens the more the dream get lucid. In lucid dream your brain works almost like in the wake state. You are capable of asking 'am I dreaming'? It is such ability (like the ability to 'know that we are not dreaming' ) that usually helps us to know that we are awake. The other thing that tells us that 'we have woken' is when we suddenly find ourselves in bed. This ability can be undermined if our lucid dream is about being in the exact room you are sleeping in (fortunately, this is rare). You keep lucid dreaming and in it, attempt to teleport to your very bed. Then suddenly, you wake up and think that the teleportation has just succeeded, lol.
    
    However, it is true that you will eventually realize that you have woken up, but it will take some times, maybe two minutes or so. When you wake up, your senses don't quickly pick up, and this is particularly significant when waking up from a lucid dream.
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      Ꮙℓἇ∂ἇ.. ኔጡ። > Roaring Lovely December 30, 2022 at 8:02pm

      Sorry you missed a important point... on how the brain works,as in the lucid dream the brain's sensorimotor cortex still activates. This is the part of the brain that controls movement,and most of the time when this occurs the dreamer will awaken to this reality, it dosnt stay in a lucid dream realm memory once movement has occured,the brain knows the difference between this realm and its dream world....hense why I said the body knows the difference between a lucid dream state realm and a 3D reality consciousness as when the lucid dream is over, the sub conscious awakens also and is recognised within the brain,so the senses do pick up instantly... if this didn't occur in our brains then it would be a case of lets say a monk who just goes into a deep meditative state just wouldn't wake up at all and would thus just go into a type of coma state & then he'd eventually die... now that would be horrid in a temple mass meditation situation if all the monks were just dying in rows like flys on a window sill now wouldn't it..
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        Roaring Lovely > Ꮙℓἇ∂ἇ.. ኔጡ። December 31, 2022 at 6:42am

        The brain do have a way of telling a dream from reality, of course, but this is not perfect, at least not, all the time, and at least not, for everybody. If you are dreaming, and then a person knocks at your door, you can sometimes hear the knock, albeit appearing as though you are dreaming about it. This is very common in many pple. So it is not true that the brain can always tell the difference between signals from the wake world and those from the dream world.
        
        Now in a lucid dream, this is even worse because you are 'almost awake'! In the usual dream, near day time, if you happen not to have closed your eyes well, you often can see things in your own room and think that you are dreaming about them, and you will only realize this after you awaken! You can see that this is automatically worse off in a lucid dream, the remaining thing is that can you walk while dreaming? The answer is yes, it can happen, and this is called 'sleep-walking'. So the ability of the brain to tell the 'dream' state from the 'wake' one is not perfect, and sleepwalking is one such example of the failure.
        
        To understand what I am saying, just combine a little bit of 'sleepwalking' with the common blending of 'real' signals (eg a knock at the door), with the dream world, but now in a lucid dream! You note that obviously this scenario can happen! In fact it is easier to happen in a lucid dream cause you are 'almost awake'!
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          Ꮙℓἇ∂ἇ.. ኔጡ። > Roaring Lovely December 31, 2022 at 9:18am

          

          ActuallyI was led to believe that lucid dreaming is known to be occurring during rapid eye movement (REM) sleep. REM sleep constitutes the fourth and final stage of a normal sleep cycle; the first three stages consist of non-rapid eye movement (NREM) sleep just before awaking ...so if there was a knock on the door in a persons reality outside of their dream state,the chances are high that brain would automatically awaken the sleeper to it fully, kinda like a when an alarm clock goes off the dreamer is automatically awoken to it..so if the dreamer were in a lucid dream they would thus know the knock wasnt in the dream,because they are lucid after all.
          Anyway I think you must have differing notions of what lucid dream sleep is, compared to my own,so lets just say we beg to differ...as in reality all sleep no matter if its lucid or not is dangerous really,I say this because no one actually remembers the exact time when they actually fall asleep in the first place,isn't that dangerous to not know when your own consciousness of a sequence is no longer able to be remembered,plus how can you remember what your forced to forget ...and no one actually can proove beyond a doubt that this reality isn't any different to the dream world reality either.. as its claimed this reality is but a holographic reality after all.then throw the astral plane into the picture and alternate realities & the multiverse also and you really have a mixed up world that even some in physic's & science cant fully explain & thus have just theories..then bring OBE's & NDE's into this picture,as well as the astral realm, hypnopompic or hypnagogic dreams the list goes on,and yet we still dont fully understand what people see or how they see out of the body..