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  turtles June 8, 2013 at 4:22am

  @Dreamsicle
  I can name an Olympic runner who died. I have heard about people who where active and dropped dead. Athletes who had heart problems who died on the court. Yes just cause you eat a certain way does not guarantee you anything. But still food is our best medicine.....People who have healthy bodies are blessed.....and then gratitude comes into play for the natural health of you....
  
  
  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of the cure......(or something like that) food and lifestyle are your best defenses against the western diseases that plague us.....My roommate is 39 and she has high cholesterol and she is mighty concerned and has switched around her diet. She is on an Elimination diet, and is getting a vegan pizza from a local restaurant. I believe it is all preemptive measures in caring for ourselves in our lives in everything we do....maybe day jones would have died earlier? Maybe he lived as long as his parents. Davy jones lived a fantastic life.....better than most people live....death visits us all.... Regardless, but because I try to care for myself as best as possible by doing yoga, eating as well as I can my quality of life is good.
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  Ꮙℓἇ∂ἇ.. ኔጡ። June 8, 2013 at 3:10am

  I never really expected this post to go this way and be hit so many times... but it's bloody cool all the same,keep on going if you wish...it's great in depth discussions,thoughts n notions,though I'm not going to enter them myself,I just don't see the point in that,I'm of the notion every one's entitled to their own opinions & free will,I'm loving reading it all though..it's very interesting,and I Thank-you you all for participating..

  
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  1 darkstar June 7, 2013 at 6:20pm

  Too bad River Phoenix was killed.
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  Dreamsicle June 7, 2013 at 2:51pm

  No. You're misunderstanding. I did not say vegans/vegetarians are unhappy.

  It doesn't matter. It appears my humor goes over your head and you take it to a much more serious level than it needs to be.

  Plus, I'm finding it increasingly disrespectful the way you address me. Would you enjoy it if I start calling you boy? How about kid?

  Thanks for calling my thinking stupid. I don't think you really want to know how I feel about your thinking.
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  Dreamsicle June 7, 2013 at 6:27am

  So you think, back when people were wearing loin clothes and animals skins... they were doing it wrong? They were doing it wrong when they went out and hunted for their food... and thanked the animal for providing nourishment? They were doing it wrong when they made sure to utilize all parts of the animal?

   

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  And yes, I did know people -think- that animal meat has "negative energy"... but it's all in their head. Clearly these people don't have happy meat eating friends if that's what they think. Yes, I have heard of people who use crystals to "cleanse the meat" before putting it in their shopping baskets... and even though I giggle in my head at them.. I know they're doing what they can to help themselves feel comfortable with their purchase (who knows, they might be vegans but have to buy meat for someone else) because of all the other people making them feel GUILTY for their actions. Such unnecessary guilt.

  I don't care if people choose not to eat meat. I care when people shove it in other people's faces as if they're wrong in eating meat. There's nothing wrong with eating meat. Nothing. I love meat. Meat treats me well. It's not like meat is all I eat. It's about balance, like anything. Meat is frickin delicious! And all those non-meat eaters out there that are complaining about the world and are always generally unhappy and are suffering from anxiety and depression and who knows what else... maybe they should try eating a steak!

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  "Wake up"... man, here in America... they teach this stuff to us in school. We're not ignorant. We know where food comes from. We know how animals get treated. Anything anyone could ever say about meat and against meat, I already know about, as do most educated Americans. We grew up knowing this stuff, at least my generation. And every generation in succession.

  Does that mean I want to eat tortured baby animals? No. Does that mean all animals are treated poorly before being butchered? No. Does that mean I have to eat meat every day? No. I partake in vegetarian meals all the time. There ARE humane ways of treating animals that are destined to be on someone's kitchen counter.

  Don't waste your time trying to make this into an ethical/moral discussion. That won't work on me. The only angle that's closest to working is turning it into a health related discussion. But even then that won't work on me. I've had over 20 years defending my stance to be pro-meat. There was ONE time when I put up a fight that involved tears about meat when I was a preteen and that was when my mother prepared rabbit one day. But you know what? It was flippin delicious!

  Never had rabbit since, not by choice, just how life worked out. And I discovered one day, when I came across a picture of a MONSTOR rabbit... that there are people who genetically engineer rabbits to be so gigantic as a means of solving hunger in certain countries. And I think, "good for them... feeding the hungry". So if you're against meat, then you're against feeding the hungry. And if you're not against feeding the hungry, then why don't you make a personal attempt to feed the starving with a healthy diet without use of meat?

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  The rain forest? You're kinda reaching a little too hard on that one. Are you implying animals eat timber? Cutting down the rain forest affects vegetarians as much as it does meat eaters.

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  With all this anti-meat talk... it's inspiring me to make a pro-meat thread in the future. With all the delicious ways you can cook it! Filled with yummy yummy pictures! Although I know it won't get much support because all you anti-meat fanatics scare others into refraining from expressing their support.

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  Do I eat meat that's been force fed and trapped in cages? No.

  The meat I eat, has a happy, comfortable normal life before it gets butchered. And even the butchering is done before the animal knew what hit it. And when I'm preparing the raw flesh, I thank the animal for providing my animal nourishment.

  Have you ever thought about what would happen if you were stranded on an island with a group of people and there weren't no food? Let's say they are your family. Would you offer yourself up for food? Or would you hope someone else does? Don't you think whoever offered themselves, would be like... "I'm so happy I can do this great service to my family to help them survive"...???? I'm not saying I would want to eat people. I've thought about this situation and I would probably just let myself starve, or maybe even be the one to offer myself. But I would want them to be THANKFUL ABOUT IT! And not waste it. And not feel guilty. I don't wanna be sitting there as a ghost and watch them cry and complain while eating my thigh meat. I'd want them to be joyous and thankful! Well, at least thankful... can't expect too much joy when you're stranded and force to eat your family.

  But it's like that for me and my relationship to the animal I'm about to eat. I'm grateful for it. It had a use before it died. And it could've either died in the wild and maggots and birds and coyotes and what not would eat it... or I could... and I could turn it into a work of art before consumption. A WORK OF ART!

   
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  turtles June 7, 2013 at 5:29am

  If our bodies where meant to eat as much as we do then our bodies would process all the meat and animal fat that goes along with it.....the fat would not stick to our arteries because our bodies would process it......the body of a meat eater processes all the meat....and fat..... lions don't die from heart attacks.
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    Dreamsicle > turtles June 7, 2013 at 6:36am

    Vegetarian doesn't necessarily mean healthy.

     

    Here:

    Why do so many thin, vegetarian runners have calcified arteries?

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    The Monkees' Davy Jones dead at 66, dies of heart attack. Vegetaria...

     
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  Dreamsicle June 7, 2013 at 4:42am

  But the part of the story you won't see, is that he's happy to eat chicken tenders and steak fajitas.
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  Dreamsicle June 7, 2013 at 3:29am

  But if you were totally healthy, wouldn't reiki be unnecessary? I don't ask that for an answer. Just something to think about. Specially since this isn't the thread for that.

  I wouldn't be surprised how many people have a B12 deficiency but chalk it up to something else.

  From WebMD, although there's a wealth of info on it:

  
  "If the deficiency is not corrected, it can damage the nerve cells. If this happens, vitamin B12 deficiency effects may include:

  • tingling or numbness in fingers and toes
  • difficulty walking
  • mood changes or depression
  • memory loss, disorientation, and dementia"

   

  "Vitamin B12 has many important functions in the body. It works with the B vitamin folate to make our body's genetic material. It helps keep levels of the amino acid homocysteine in check, which may help decrease heart disease risk, and it is essential to the production of red blood cells, which carry oxygen through the blood to the body's tissues.

  But many people are deficient in this important vitamin."
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  Dreamsicle June 6, 2013 at 12:09pm

  Do you take anything to supplement your b12?