Concept

Dictionary may define 'concept' as the general idea about something. But are you sure you understand this statement? It seems that many people don't grasp it and yet it is the most important thing to understand for debates to be meaningfull. Conceptualization and understanding concepts is also crucial to understanding the universe.When people hear of 'idea', what comes to mind is a sort of theory about something. So ideas of things are like those in science, akin to relativity, quantum mechanics etc. So we can as well dispense off concepts. Nothing can be more mistaken! Rather, there are 3 ways of getting ideas: information, experience and the brain. So when you merely see the world, you automaticaly get an idea of a world. It is as if nature is somehow communicating with your senses.The understanding of an object and its concept comes all at once. If you think that you can somehow perceive the object 'billiard ball' without getting the concept 'billiard ball', then either you are mistaken about 'concepts' and/or your brain is mulfunctioning. When you want to teach an ET who knows not what the word 'billiard ball' rifers to, all you have to do is point at something with your fingure. The object 'billiard ball' is what is on the table at that moment. But if you blind fold the ET and then swap the billiard ball with a perfectly identical one, our ET won't tell the difference because he has the concept and not the object in his mind.Then I am just using the 'words' for illustration. It does not mean at all that words are necesary for conceptualisation. Words are circumscribed tightly to their role: mere communication. It happens even if you are simply staring at the 'billiard ball'. Should you close your eyes, a devil can as well swap the ball. 'Thinking' is also not necesary for conceptualization if you understand 'thinking' as 'mind chatter'. We cannot get to make any chatter in your head without having some concepts. So concepts absolutely comes prior to such 'thinking' and not the vice-versa. It is not 'thinking' that form concepts, it is exactly the opposit.But of course a ley person has no problem with equating 'thought about a thing' with 'concept of the thing' because perception of though is not seperate to different categories at all. It is only new age mismash that necesitates such clarification. Particularly it is their misuse of the word 'thought' to rifer to the narrow 'mind chatter'. We are 100% sure that there is something going on in our heads more than this 'chatter'. We donnot even understand what we are doing and we choose to summarily lable all head activities as 'thoughts'. So at no point in wake state can you somehow cease thinking. Granted, the seemingly more voluntary 'chatter' can seem to cease during meditation.Carefull close exermination reveals that there is no such a clear cut distinction between the voluntary and the involuntary activities in our bodies. While it seems that we 100% control our breathing, it is our brain that is fooling us! You understand this when you 'decide' to hold your breath longer that you are 'decididing'. You WILL NOT (not you CANNOT). Or rather, the body and the personality is not seperate. Though 'seperate' is a wrong word here. The thoughts are exactly symmetrical with the breaths. We donnot think voluntarily to some extend and we do to a certain extend. There is no clear cut difference between the 'you' thinking and the 'it' thinking.With this, we understand that some of the things our society and even new ager self servingly want to shove it to 'it' is actually 'us'. Or rather, the voluntariliness of activities in our bodies and even outside our bodies is in large part flexible. The conceptualisation is the particularly tricky one in this case.The new ager's categorising out 'mind chatter' as the thing we do it voluntary in our heads is greatly misguided. Rather the word 'thoughts' summarily resorts to all the series of perceptions within our heads. Words are particularly the internal sounds in our heads and thus perceiving words and/or creating words is just exactly on the same par with perceiving and/or creating colors, shapes, love etc. So there should be no such a dichotomy as thoughts vs feelings. Rather the dichotomy is 'mind chatter' vs visualisation or between a more voluntary 'chatter'/visualization vs a lesser voluntary ones.After such clarification, you can now understand how it is easy to amuse yourself that you can somehow observe things without conceptualization. A purely spatial thinking as done by a human being can be extreemly fast. If a human being enters to a room, he can name all the objects in the room in split seconds. To computer scientists, this is a great wonder. It is then tempting to think that you are not thinking about guitar when you are starring at it without the 'chatter'. Yes you are! To quickly figure out the shape, the strings, the frets involves what we term 'spatial reasoning'. It is analogous to the 'chatter' if you took 'space' to be 'time'. In the latter, the set of thoughts neaded to perceive are just comming too fast for you to realise that they are thoughts. Reasoning colors also have a characteristic similar to reasoning with shapes. They are both spatial in nature but sound, hence words, is temporal.Let me finish by illustrating why we should summarily lable all the events going on in the skull with a single word, 'thought' or you can choose any. Define the word 'thinking'. When I say that you define the word, I mean that you should do it in such a way that if you were talking to an ET who is yet to understand English, he will get to know what you mean by the word. You see, you won't get to his skull to make him know what you are talking about by pointing to 'thoughts'. You will assume that his brain is good enough to perceive it in himself. Then you will not assume that his brain works 100% like yours. So the best way to define the word is just 'what you do when you are aware but not talking'!! 'Awareness' in turn is just the wake state. These definitions are ostensive in nature. They don't for instance say exactly what thoughts are. They are more of like a guid to help the ET to perceive the thoughts etc for himself like we would 'define' the word 'guitar' by merely pointing at one. The rest of what goes on in the ET when he is sitted there silently are best left in the category of 'his own business'.

first of all Ara...Your "painting/image" which you made and which you posted earlier in the comment section, was beautiful :) It really was..."abstract"...:) It reminded me of "shark teeth", "pyramids" and space :)

About this concept of "Love" manifesting. It reminds me of the four hindu yugs. The cycles of collective consciousness. It is like the four seasons of Earth. Kali yug (dark age), dwapara yug (current time), treta yug (silver age) and satya yug (golden age).

They say in the satya Yug (or yuga?). THE whole Earth/world is populated by mystics/masters....wow..imagine that?? The love and understanding being passed around between all the "earthlings"..(animals included and plants included)..They say Gold will probably be something you would just eat from and throw away......:)

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Ara February 4, 2016 at 10:44pm

thank you Rama, but i wouldn't know which one ... ;))
Roaring Lovely February 4, 2016 at 7:35am

Ara, please be sending some of those paintings of yours on my wall. There is not such a thing that drives me to bliss more that starring at beautifull glowing images.:)
Ara February 4, 2016 at 3:10am

thank you Hopi ... ;)) i am kind of 'happy' that my muse is still with me ... i've got more abstract ... ;)) and it goes like that 'the truth is angular' ... ;))

it is fascinating to hear perception of others of the paintings ... ;))

the golden age WILL be HERE (eventually) - God imagine it first we just need to attune ourselves to it somehow .. to work with the flow.
Hopi February 3, 2016 at 11:16pm
Hopi February 3, 2016 at 10:58pm

@Rama

I agree with you also. The proper exercise will make you able to stay longer in that state of bliss. I have felt in meditation, that too much energy can make my body extremely itchy/jumpy/restless....My leg or arm can suddenly shoot out in any direction...
Hopi February 3, 2016 at 10:51pm

first of all Ara...Your "painting/image" which you made and which you posted earlier in the comment section, was beautiful :) It really was..."abstract"...:) It reminded me of "shark teeth", "pyramids" and space :)

About this concept of "Love" manifesting. It reminds me of the four hindu yugs. The cycles of collective consciousness. It is like the four seasons of Earth. Kali yug (dark age), dwapara yug (current time), treta yug (silver age) and satya yug (golden age).

They say in the satya Yug (or yuga?). THE whole Earth/world is populated by mystics/masters....wow..imagine that?? The love and understanding being passed around between all the "earthlings"..(animals included and plants included)..They say Gold will probably be something you would just eat from and throw away......:)
Ara February 3, 2016 at 10:15pm

i like your observation Rama .... makes sense ...
Ara February 3, 2016 at 10:14pm

Hopi ... ;))

so most of us have a concept of 'love' ... that is now taking roots on this physical plane (from the seed), slowly growing within us, through our life, experience, perception - in eternity ;))

but the moment it touches you (love) there is a inner knowing that from that point it will only grow wider and deeper - it never leaves you ... ;))
Roaring Lovely February 3, 2016 at 7:55pm

But I think by proper exersises, we can improve the strength of nerves involved in channelling. Then you will improve the length of time you remain in that state of bliss.
Roaring Lovely February 3, 2016 at 7:52pm

I think the weakness of our bodies does not allow use to experience maximum love or any other bliss for that matter. What you once said, Hopi, that if you were to feel love as it is, you will die makes sense even from neuroscience! The neuron that channel love has its current carrying capacity much like the electrical conductor.

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