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ON earth, IN heaven

Posted by 33ov2i5hlohr5 on July 15, 2014 at 9:42am in Spirituality In General
Several places in bible do talk of heaven as an 'IN' in contrast to earth as 'ON'. Consider for instance the following verse:"Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven" Mathew 6:10I was wondering why it is not ON heaven. Then I did find that indead leaving IN something feels far much more comfortable than leaven ON something. I often wish I was a fish, leaving IN water.Leaving IN something means you are surrounded al around and is completely secure. At night, in the dark, we always feel that we better be IN something and not just ON something. This is why when darkness come, we rush IN houses and even farther, IN blankets.Jesus promised his disciples that he will deliver them from a cold life ON the mere surface of something and bring them to a more meaningfull life IN the 'heart' of something.Often I understand babtism as an allegory of this teaching. I should momentarily leave like a fish and then come out. Afterwards, I better feel that I am leaving IN the ocean of God and not just ON the surface of a planet. The latter is called the babtism of the Holy Spirit. If it happens, then you are born of water and spirit. If it doesn't happen, then you just entered water a dry 'sinner' and came out a wet 'sinner'.Of course, it would take scientists centuaries to come up with their own fashion of this. Thanks to Albert Einstein. In his words;"To the non mathematical, this is totaly unthinkable but we are actualy leaving IN a four dimensional spacetime continuum"Earlier scientists had thought we are just leaving ON something. Einstein assured them that they do leave IN something.Q:Do spacetime qualify as the 'kingdom of God' Jesus was talking of?A:Yep!!You must admit that this entity is endowed with magical property. Thought it is rigid enough that its curving bend the tragectories of objects, we do walk freely through it as if it doesn't exist. In Einstein's own words;"Matter tells spacetime how to curve and spacetime TELLS matter how to move"He found no better word than 'tell' and indead, often Einstein used 'universe' and 'God' interchangeably as in when he says;"...it doesn't bring me closer to understanding God for something in me is convinced that he does not play dice"How else would he describe the entity he imagined that intimately connects everything to everything apart from God?Often, Christians and new agers fails to understand Jesus's words:"The kingdom of God does not come with your carefull observation , nor people will say, 'Here it is' or 'There it is', because the kingdom of God is within you" Luke 17:20-21It happens because they have little interest with ONTOLOGY. In NIV version, there is an asterik that shows you that the translation, 'within' is uncertain. In some other versions, it writes 'in your midist' or AMONG you or WILL SUDDENLY APPEAR among you.The withinism religion in new age takes the 'within' translation to teach that Jesus was merely talking of some psychological phenomenon talking place within men that makes them one day come out a perceive the world as heaven! It is the 'beauty in the eyes of beholder' nonsense that reduce the idea into a sureal sentimental, impotent 'perfume' sprayed on our world to make it 'smell' nice.But Jesus was talking of something OBJECTIVE that exists INDEPENDENTLY in our midist. Something similar to SPACETIME. Can you say 'here is spacetime' or 'there it is'? Granted, lots of work might need be done WITHIN you to REALISE that you leave IN something and not just ON something but this does not undermine its OBJECTIVE reality.
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  • Xavier July 17, 2014 at 11:32am

    Hmmm, food for thought.

    I may as well take this brief opportunity to thank my refreshingly honest friends for their contributions of late towards peace in this dire time. I am still enjoying reading your musings when i get the time and will try to do so evenmore again in the near future.

    It's clear to those dealing with their ego's and kundalini awakening in a healthy manner are fully aware at this point that everything they do sends a POWERFUL message to all who are near. I am glad they are just being themselves right now, and allowing their energies to unfold naturally. Ease it where you can and remember the natural theme, because your physical life may be impacted by this right now.

    Take care and i hope to be able to converse in a 1 on 1 manner again soon. Keep fighting the only fight worth fighting, the good one!

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