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What is the difference between spiritual development; green issues and being vegan. Are all these things separate goals and ideals or are they interconnected?

Can the person that leaves a imprint of pain by eating meat or consuming milk that has been obtained through suffering actually ascend and evolve? Can the person that pollutes the Earth really believe they will be allowed to ascend to higher planes or existence.

Do we need to walk the walk and talk the talk through through living a life free of contradiction through our actions?

At the moment there seems to be different camps of people holding different beliefs and living their lives through a set of rules or aspirations for themselves; but are we seperating issues that should be connected and are people choosing a cause or belief when actually they are essentially the same things?

To not eat meat is a more evolved view and not only leaves a less negative imprint on the Earth but also drastically improves your ability to hold light as you are not ingesting the fear and pain of the animals that have been killed.

By making better choices and ensuring your products have not caused any suffering along the way; surly increases the positive energy associated with you; again increasing your chances of evolution and ascension. 

Is it wrong for us to assume that Mother Earth is interested in our personal ascension when we ignore her needs and continue to abuse either directly or through ignorance or laziness the wonderful animals that she is home to. Why do we think that it is possible for us to become more evolved as beings if we ignore the environment and animals that are part of this journey with us.

One of the most significant things you can do as an individual to change this Earth and your life is to look at what you do in a day; then you make the best choices not for you but for the Earth and her animals; When you change your view to one of selflessness rather than selfishness you immediately go through an incredible shift and become more evolved and energetically you are able to hold more light.

You are your choices; the decisions you make each day forms who you are. Everyone can change and the only way that people will be part of the new emerging Earth is when they act like they are part of her.

How can you be evolved and ignorantly eating the dead flesh of another; what makes us better than the animals that we enslave and use for our own selfish needs. How can you ascend when you drink the milk that has been produced through pain and suffering; not to mention what that energy does to your light body. How can you be part of the new Earth when your daily actions continue to hurt and abuse her and her inhabitants. 

Ignorance is not an excuse; if everyone made just one small change today; just one slightly better choice think of the energy that would create; think of the wave of more conscious thought; more evolved actions and more loving intentions that would create.

Be the change in the world; don't wait for others or expect others to clean up after you; or change this world for you. We are all responsible for our actions intentional or non intentional. Make what you do count today and every day.

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we do need to walk the walk and let go just the talk...................... I always thought that how can a person ascend anywhere with other being's rotting flesh in a stomach. After all that being was alive, breathing and feeling. I know many will say I am judgemental and all that crap but also I believe that I am right about it. And asking another vegan the same question will produce exactly same answers .

Sure I tolerate everyone and their dietery practices but still have a opinion about things that actually matter for the future of humanity and MAMA Earth 'couse current meat eating practices of humanity produced pollution, deforestation, mass genocide of ocean fish ; that can't be right and be susteinable for our survival, yet again you ask majority of new agers awaiting the first contact with aliens and they'll tell you they are ready to be lifted off the planet and will be glad to leave this mess behind without any care or second thought..............

You sound like a voice of reason and honesty within the mixed messages of what people seem to think humanity should be doing. The evolved beings that I connect with all support the cause of animal respect and environmental concerns. We all agreed to be here so why are people so desperate to leave all of a sudden and not be an active part of the positive change on Earth. I think you have a right to judge when it comes to harming others. If people want to be damaging to themselves that is one thing but we have the right to speak for those that cannot and defend innocent lives. Hitler was only able to do what he did because no one stood up to him and instead facilitated his actions. The moment we stop facilitating torture and massacre of animals is the day humanity can be proud and class themselves as evolved. Till then we are as primitive as the people that enslaved black people; as destructive as the people that allowed and supported Hitler and as cruel as the person that beats an animal to vent their own insecurities. 

I always have this concern in my head when i was a kid, Budda says "all live is equal" 

isnt' that mean plants and animals too?

obviously now i know that only eat raw/alive fruit and vegetable will bring me mass energy, and i have experience with myself and it has proven in a massive way. But that question still trouble me a bit, how is plantery life differ then a biological life? why is consume a plantery life wasn't a conduct of killing?

wish the wise one can answer my question, thanks alot



i feel the same as you, ive experimented and seen the awesome benefits of eating raw and the increase of energy i feel. i asked a man and a woman both around the age fo 70 about eating meat. they said everyones diet is different..  worrying about eating meat only creates more stress for us. i worried a lot of when i ate cheese or meat that i wouldn't ascend or make it through the portal in time. we have to understand that each soul incarnates on earth to play a specific role. many cattle had agreed to this, and it is not wrong to eat their flesh, although its benefits may be much less than raw eating. it is your conscious decision whether or not to indulge. i dont think the cows or pigs that chose to give their meat for our evolution are looking down at us with anger for eating what was once theirs. i see it as a mutual pity for the killed animals and the ones who suffer from eating them. they understand our spiritual condition and are happy to have helped.

another thing mentioned by the people i asked about meat was that blessing the food was important also. not just meat, but all foods. a blessing is to acknowledge its sacred and divine purpose. to show respect and gratitude for the animal that was killed to feed our bodies.

thank you:)

The plants have a different type of consciousness to that of animals and I think that is probably one of the main reasons why it is different eating plants to animals. They have a group and shared consciousness rather than a singular one. Eating plants is also not destructive because you are not really ending their life cycle; in fact if we did not eat them when we did they do not last much longer anyway. Animals lives are cut short and in fact most animals are killed very young because that is the meat people prefer and also keeping costs of them is lower because lets face it meat is all about money.

As far as the sexual preference thing I am not completely sure what you are saying but personally someone's sexual preference does not bother me; it is their intentions of love and harmony with Earth that is the thing I am interested in. If there is love between people it is love no matter what s** they are. I think to say it is destructive just because it is not your preference is not fair because I cannot see what harm that is doing to others. Also I think there are far too many 'lives; being created on this Earth when people are not suitable matured emotionally to give that life a balanced and beautiful upbringing; that is far more destructive than not creating life at all. One of the major problems on Earth is over population so if a man being with a man and a woman being with a woman stops children suffering due to emotionally inapt parents bringing them into this world often for selfish reasons anyone; then that is fine with me. 

lets consider this :

an animal on someones plate is dead, it was murdered and deprived of its life force ~ a fact

a plant picked from a garden is still alive with life force for hrs after picking

~ difference here is that one can consume lifeless animal or life force of a plant...............................

i think i get it, but not 100%

i get all the benefit of eating plant, and some plant do require to get eaten to bring more plant life to earth. 

all i want to know is that, when we eat a plant, is that also means we killed them? while they alive?

or they do have shared consciousness which eating them is perfectly fine without any karma

think of it this way :

you can not harm a tree by picking one fruit and it will grow that fruit again while cutting animals limb will not make animal grow it back. By picking one tomatoe of a plant it does not kill the plant, instead it incourages it to produce more. By slicing a half of a head of lettuce ( still growing in the ground ) it will only make it grow it back. and most importantly the plants have a peculiar advantage over animals ~ seeds to start same process over again; these same plants reseed them selves by natures design while once we kill an animal it can not reproduce it self unless we do it in a laboratory which is not a natural process.

you can cut a fruit tree by half and it still finds a way to grow back.....................

I've wondered before about eating picked plant , is it natural, is it dead or alive , or is it good for us and than I look at anatomy of vegetarian or omnivorous animals and humans and I see similarity of human design with vegetarian animals , which leads me to conclude that humans were not designed to be omnivorous .We were not designed to digest meat , rather plants and at this exact moment I no longer wonder if we kill a plant which is natural for us to consume .

understood, thank you 

but the creator makes no mistakes, so who are you to juge the creator letting it happen? oh but thats cause its the devil then or some other bull right? well creator created all good and bad so check YOURSELF in questioning the creator

what i support is people doing what they like as long as they arent hurting anyone, s** changes, sx toys, children asking questions and homosexuality dont hurt ANYONE, infact your belief that it DOES actually HURTS those people who are doing nothing wrong except in the eyes of some dictator creator,

i am completely shocked that people like you are still around, yes i want a better reality, one that doesnt include ignorant prejudices like the ones you just exhibited, go talk to mayir about this if you want some ego stroking from someone who actually agrees with you

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