Ashtar Command Crew - The Awakening Movement

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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 11:33am

  

  If you don't want Iran to become, like Libya etc, yet another failed state in the name of 'changing the regym', then it make sense to carefully examine the arguments offered by Iranis themselves as to how evil and incompetent countries such as U.S. is and so are unfit to commander changes of any sort in Iran. Failure to do that, Americans, Britons etc risk repeating the same mistakes, like they never learnt from Vietnam but went ahead to invade Iraq.
  
  However, the right enviroment for discussion about Iran can never be attained if what is in the uppermost concern in the 'western mind' is the alleged 'evil nature of Iran'. This brings Iran to the same situation as Iraq at then, where the emotions clouded reasoning in congress amid the hype about Saddam chemical weapons, 911 and other nonsense.
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 11:20am

  

  Drekx,
  
  Why do you have a problem in understanding me on this? I haven't talk about Iranian theocracy nor about the nature of government that should be in Iran. It is you 'Britons' and 'Americans' who are so concerned about internal matters of other countries. It is the duty of Iranis to decide what type of government they like, not me! If they like tyranny and Islamism, that is up to them.
  
  My concern is only in internal security of Iran as threatened by an external country, such as U.S.. In the same way, I have no interest with Russia's internal matters. That is the duty of Russians. U.S. has invaded countries like Iraq etc and destroyed them, leaving a worse mess in the name of 'fighting a tyrant', haven't they? Don't you think we should be concerned with U.S. doing the same thing in Iran in the name 'fighting a theocracy'? Shouldn't Iran be secured from the powerful forces who might intrude there and make things even worse like they did in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan etc? That is my concern. I am not interested with government in Iran, whether it is a theocracy or whatever.

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  Drekx Omega September 25, 2022 at 11:04am

  

  Roaring, as for the absurd Islamic Republic of Iran, if I were you I'd stop making excuses for their theocratic madness...The people there are speaking out against this dictatorship and rightly so....
  BUT, let us hear from an Iranian living in Britain, brought up here, after his family escaped the ayatollahs.....The MSM does not cover this much, but GB News does....So listen to this vid and you might even learn something useful....
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aianyVOy8QU
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  Drekx Omega September 25, 2022 at 10:49am

  

  After 911 and following the then President Bush's threats to the Taliban in Afghanistan I personally sent an email to the Pres, warning him NOT to invade Afghanistan, as he would fail to win, as history has always viewed this uncontrollable region as a "grave of Empires."
  I also recall thinking about this in the 1980s, when the Soviets had invaded and had got bogged down, fighting the mujahideen guerillas...
  We British learned this centuries ago and why we never bothered to incorporate this lawless tribal region, in the Empire...In fact, there were military units stationed on the North West Frontier, with Afghanistan, to protect the Indian Raj and keep the Pashtun (Pathans) in order....
  So we kept to the frontier (Khyber Pakhtunkhwa) and only crossed it, when necessary...
  
  The UK did foolishly back the international demand to sort out the Taliban, after 911 and that was due to the moronic Tony Blair and his globalist sympathies...These policies were not in our national interests....We should not have sent troops into Afghanistan....
  
  So I personally know and knew, that Afghanistan was a hopeless case...and still is....They have nothing that we might want, other than trouble....
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 10:44am

  

  I have defended Russia and Iran, despite both of them being vilified in west, after analysis of the situation and found some similarities worth noting. However, I am praised by Drekx only for praising Russia, just because I then implicitly criticized Obama's policy and maybe implicitly endorse Trump's. However, he doesn't follow carefully my arguments pertaining to Iran because thus I criticise Trump's policy implicitly, and maybe praise Obama implicitly!
  
  However Iran is in exactly the same situation as Russia, and even Putin agrees with me! Iraq is in the proximity of Iran just like Ukraine is, to Russia. West has toyed with Iraq, trying to make it its puppet, just like they have done, Ukraine. Consequently, Iranian national security is under a huge threat from U.S. Iran is far less powerful than Russia, so it is forced into a rogue behaviour to defend itself.
  
  These are similar situations. Lets not be blinded by our political bias!
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 10:13am

  

  Nevertheless no one ever said that either Afghanistan or Iran are 'wonderful exemplars of virtues'. This is a strawman's fallacy. I only said Taliban beat U.S., which is the truth. They also beat USSR and Britain. Perhaps only Drekx think that there can be governments that are 'exemplars of virtues'. My stand remain as usual: governments are inherently evil, from Britain to Namibia alike. Showing some things done well in Afghanistan, China, Iran or whatever doesn't mean that I have folders of 'good countries' vs 'bad countries'. These are problems that many Americans and Britons have, not me. I can learn something good from Afghanistan and ignore all the bad things. I don't think in 'demons vs angels' when it come to politics etc.
  
  Similarly, I haven't bought into this idea of 'Biden is the demon' and 'Trump is the angel' nonsense so entrenched in this site. I criticise Biden when he does wrong, and do the same to Trump etc. I criticise China, Japan, Britain, Kenya etc. Nations mean little to me. I don't see why someone should take me in circles when I criticise Trump, or Britain for obvious wrongdoings. If some here have thought that Trump is perfect, then that is a pervertion that no religionist can eclipse! Same applies to nations, If you think that pple should shower praises to Putin, maybe because Trump seemed to endorse him, and no one should praise Iran for anything, maybe because Trump was so down on Iran, then you have brought the mindset of religion into politics! What a sorry state!
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 10:04am

  Drekx said:
  "And ask yourself this, if Afganistan and Iran are such wonderful exemplars of virtue, for you, why are so many people escaping from them, wanting to come to Britain, or America..??
  "I-RAN." lol 😆Poverty and tyranny, maybe..?? Frankly I would not visit these places if you paid me to...."
  
  Reply:
  
  I ask myself such questions, but then, I go ahead and ask an even more daunting question: Why were Britons etc fleeing from Britain to America, Australia and even to Africa during the colonial times. Are you then agreeing that Britain, at then, was not such a wonderful exemplar of virtue? If yes, what were you arguing about all along? I mean I was trying to show you that banning of slavery on its own never meant that Britain stood for virtues?
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 9:51am

  Drekx said,
  "You seem to think that Iran and Afganistan are centres of excellence, when they are both absolute hellholes and nothing for you to be proud of."
  
  Reply:
  
  That is what I SEEM to think, when someone carelessly peruse my posts. But this is what I ACTUALLY think:
  
  Both Iran and Afghanistan are composed of people just like Britons are. Therefore they too deserve the dignity like everyone else. Their are not the toying grounds for Britons and Americans to create their own types of governments there. No one would be proud of Britain if it was a work of foreigners. You yourself never liked the idea of Britons having been illiterate when Iranis etc were erecting empires. Why do you like describing another country as 'hell hole'? You have tried so hard to vindicate Britain during its darkest periods of colonialism, and now you call a country, which has never sought to extend its jurisdiction an 'hell hole'?
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 9:41am

  In other words U.S. politics has reeled hoplessly into non-issues!
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  John Jancar September 24, 2022 at 9:36pm

  I mean Trump literally said on live TV, he’d date, and I assume do more with, his frickin daughter lol I mean is that not off, is that not worse than anything Biden has done. If she wasn’t my daughter I’d date her lol