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  • What else? Britain etc does not share any boundary with Russia, and so the original Aim of NATO was a more reasonable deterrence with the immense power projection capabilities of USSR in mind, not mere traditional wars where neighbours often are the ones that clash. This was even further enhanced by the advent of Intercontinental Balistic Missiles (IBMs) and the now feard threat of a Nuclear exchange using these IBMs. So it was never about deterrence of the traditional 'boundary wars' at all. These latter wars are best done via bilateral mutual deterrence whereby armies became naturary weaker the more they advance into the territory of the adjacent country. No need for any multilateral arrangement!! Israel, with full support from US and some support from Russia, etc, for instance, is far more powerfull than the mere non-state actor, increasingly sanctioned Hezbollah, and yet the latter group can significantly deter Israel from attacking Lebanon.

    So it was good when NATO members don't share any border with Russia, as mere skirmishes that might necessary occur on the border, such as those between Hezbollah and Israel, only risk being a full blown war between NATO and Russia. Why should an attack on one country automatically lead to a world war, and a potential annihilation of civilization? This is unreasonable! Countries have clashed on borders throughout history. It is unrealistic to aim at a world where there are no clashes on the borders, because any such, would lead to a full blown nuclear war!
  • Roaring said: "The cheapest way to avoid war with Russia is just to maintain a good relationship with Russia. No need to join NATO! All these countries near Russia are not in NATO: Iran, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, China, North/south Korea, Japan, Israel, Lebanon, Belarus, Georgia, Afghanistan etc. They are not and they will never be in NATO. How then can they try to convince you that suddenly, if you just to the west, Russia will eat you up unless you are in NATO?"

    Drekx response: Yes I really wish that my country, the UK, could stop this hatred of Russia...If I were a British PM, relations with Russia would be very peaceful and trade would flow, without any fuss....I'm something of a Russophile and frankly, can understand Russian foreign policy logic, far more easily, than the so called "western block's" foreign policies...
    The real reasons for all this nonsense, stem from Russia being disobedient towards the western central banking system...Globalism is not happy with such nations...
    Russia demands payments in Roubles (understanderbly) and pegs their currency to gold....A direct threat to the US dollar, reserve currency status...lol
  • Whenever I hear this song I think about doing sports. Sport is kind of like self-destruction. However, with a rather positive side effect.
    https://youtu.be/o7x0Kz90Hrk
  • It burdens American tax payer and demeans a European! Essentially, it says unless Europe is constantly threatened with an external enemy, then it cannot stay together in peace'. Include Russia in the 'peace map', so that there is no 'external enemy' any more, and Europe will revert to its ww1, ww2 or even colonialistic history. 'That is their nature', the NATO says, 'and so it is the responsibility of the American tax payer to force peace in that irresponsible place called 'Europe'!
  • Even with that, Ukraine could simply agree to put the 'no joining NATO' in its constitution with the condition that Russia put 'no attacking Ukraine' into its constitution too, and the war ends! It is very simple, and that is why I said history will judge Europe! What complicates it is this NATO monster that needs its as$ kissed by Europeans as 'the only condition for peace in Europe'.😆
  • The cheapest way to avoid war with Russia is just to maintain a good relationship with Russia. No need to join NATO! All these countries near Russia are not in NATO: Iran, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, China, North/south Korea, Japan, Israel, Lebanon, Belarus, Georgia, Afghanistan etc. They are not and they will never be in NATO. How then can they try to convince you that suddenly, if you just to the west, Russia will eat you up unless you are in NATO?

    NATO is useless , dangerous, needlessly expensive way of trying to avoid war with Russia!
  • The good thing is that anyone can stear this wall☺
  • FAO that large and welcome tranche of new ACC members who arrived, recently....Don't mind us chatting politix, it's just our passionate banter....We love to chat about current events...On this thread we chat about just about anything and everything, so don't mind if we deviate from the metaphysical material....We love it all....and all is spirit...shining light on dark corners...

    BTW...another thing we do on this thread, is we will sometimes post a nice music vid, to set a mood, sharing our feelings and thoughts, freely....Feel free to place your own music, or ideas, thoughts, here...We do enjoy such community shares....It makes for a good party...😄

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79TuI7qhwjs
  • Aye! Let's get rid of all the money-wasting Org's. on our payroll, it's about time we cleaned up our own mess that we have turned a blind eye to. Wasted too long, lets's get this for our people.
  • Yep, exactly!☺ When there was no nail anymore, what was the purpose of continuing to carry a very heavy hammer in the side pockets?

    It is a shame that, thanks to NATO, Europe could not prevent the current mess in Ukraine. History will judge Europe harshly, reverberating through several generations.😕
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