There Is No 'Soul Capture'

Will the scientists be able to transfer consciousness into machines, and thus possibly imprisoning 'souls'? The short answer is no! They will always be able to transfer information. But consciousness is not information. Consciousness is the informed, not the information.

We begin by the recurring question: what is it in matter that makes it possible for there to be many individual persons, rather than a single conscious person? Is it the fact that there are many pieces of matter? Well, at first glance, it looks so. We think that we are not the same person as your friend, when aware of an even't simply because they have their heads and you have yours. Different brains, so we think, corresponds to different consciousnesses. But when we think more carefully, we find that this is puzzling! This is because matter is divisible and a piece of matter is actually composed of several pieces joined together. There are no permanent pieces of matter seperated permanently from each other. Thus according to the though above, what corresponds to a single person x turns out not to be a single thing but a set of things joined together!

So if we still want to attribute the origin of independent personality to a given ensemble of particles that are independent from other particles (eg because of spatial isolation), the feature that unifies them as a single set, distinct from other particles cannot be something permanently inherent within each individual particles. On the contrary, this property must be one that can be attained by each an every particle. In other words the characteristic of your brain of manifesting you as a person is something that the brain developed. It is not a property of the brain that is inherently peculiar to the particular brain. We would have concluded as latter if your brain were a single piece of matter that is permanently isolated from the rest of matter. We would have said your particular personality is the intrinsic property of that piece of matter, and you would be automatically imortal! But this is not the case.

Since it is reasonable to suppose that your personality is a due to a certain state of matter rather than a certain piece of matter, it is tempting to think that we can easily replicate your awareness, e.g.by creating a clone of your brain. After all that brain will now possess all the property of your brain. So since your personality is a property of your brain, then that other brain must also be exhibiting your personality and your awareness! But again thinking more carefully we find that such a view is problematic! A distant clone will be able to do different things than you are doing. The clone can be watching something while you are sleeping! But you, as single personality must either be aware or not. There is no in between. So incase your personality is also manifesting in a distant place, due to a different brain, then the two brains must communicate perfectly with each other.

So we see that it is actually the communication between two different pieces of matter that makes them manifest the same personality. It is realy not the similarity! Different parts of your brain are never similar, but they communicate. Communication is the key. So in order for scientist to transfer your personality to the computer, the brain and the computer must perfectly communicate. This feature requires some kind of entanglement with the computer and the computer must be able to absorb all the information from your brain. No computer can do that in any foreseeable future.

Also worth noting is that this feature of consciousness makes quantum consciousness more plausible explanation. In quantum world, you cannot copy nor delete information. This is captured in two theorems: 'no cloning theorem' and 'no deleting theorem'. You can only transfer information from place to place. So if we stipulate that for two brains to exhibit the same personality, you must copy them atom by atom (that is to say that even the quantum wigglings of atoms must be completely synchronized between the brains),

We find that such a copy, that is similar down to quantum scale, is impossible! So you will never be the same personality at two different places, if you see the 'yourself' as the entire property of your brain down to quantum level.

Again understand quantum world very well. The information behaves like the particles! A motion from one place to another is still a transfer of information. So even though you cannot create two copies of the same information, you can still transfer the information in a manner like 'copying it at another place' but a copying that must be instantly accompanied by a 'deleting it at the earlier place'. So it is a law of conservation of quantum information.

But this is a very desirable property for personality because as we have seen, the personality must be a state of ensemble of particles, rather than a permanent intrinsic feature of something like a single piece of matter. Yet this state must not be copied from a distant place or otherwise we arrive at an absurd situation like becoming asleep in one location while awake in another location! For your personality to manifest in another ensemble of matter, it must cease manifesting in the original matter, making it look like you have simply incarnated in another piece of matter. If your consciousness is identified not with the classic information, like the one we can copy it to a computer, but rather with the quantum information, then immortality follows immediately because of the 'no deleting' theorem.

But all these also shows that we realy cannot 'capture' souls and store them into s computer' the transference of quantum information is not amenable to artificial manipulation at all. This is because any such manipulation involves 'observations' or 'measurement' which changes the quantum states! When we control a macroscopic object, we are never controlling it up to the quantum scale. Each particle will still be doing some its own things, eg Wigglings that are beyond your control. Thus when a scientist transfers a junk of information, he cannot do so upto the quantum information. Since we have identified the quantum information with personality, we identify the detailed wigglings with the free willing movement. Indeed such is how the 'quantum mind' hypothesis relates free will with the quantum uncertainty. So we conclude that consciousness can only move as it were 'getting copied and being deleted' if it does so free willingly. Otherwise, it gets 'observed' and changed completely.

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  • Sadly pple end up taking such movies too seriously. It is just like the way movies depict an identical twin or a clone as though to share the same personality as the other copy, sort of a single person at two places lol! If brain were just a complex computer and we could transfer consciousness to a computer, then there would be no need to try to make a computer to do that. Just check if you can transfer consciousness from one brain to another. I mean an ideal 'computer' is already there! Why tell us 'it will be done in future'.

    Notice that such a transfer of consciousness from brain to brain would be equivalent to a re-incarnation, a walk-in or something like that. This highlights how these ideas are not as heard to understand as 'gurus' would like us to believe!
  • XFiles-A pop culture rendition of consciousness trapped in a virtual reality; Langley/it calls Mulders' cell phone some how because it has memories/emotions of Langley and wants to warn Mulder that it doesn't think it's really alive and that it's in prison. Before he died Langley was chosen to have his brain algos mapped because he was in Mensa or something-I think the peolpe who do this believe they will livw again in VR because they believe they are their personalities and physical bodies-they might drawn to that server after death for a time
  • Lol! I had a rough time explaining it on ACC wall. It is a complex topic, I can hardly exchaust it. But I can see the cabal issue is also relevant. They begine by telling you 'you are just a computer', which is a lie! It is always a rule that a creator is different from a creation. Thomas Aquinas captured the so called 'second law of thermodynamics' so well: the cause is stronger than the effect. Human will always be 'stronger' than what human can cause/create!
  • You're most welcome, Roaring & Agarther...I had observed the discussion on the Comment Wall, but thought I'd wait a bit, before my final coup de grâce, struck upon a blog submitting the subject, specifically, as here...Roaring, you were correct and that needed to be underscored..

    And Agarther, my friend, exactly so, and maybe this explains why the dark has to place so much effort by using a propaganda narrative, to sway hearts and minds...They cannot simply switch on a machine and (as if by magic) suddenly control everyone...They need to convince people, or fool people and will use lies, threats, carrots and sticks....BUT, have to operate within the law of freewill, whether they like it or not...
    When they stray, they get contained....A soul cannot be controlled, likewise, nor a strong-willed and educated person...

    Some of them thought they could use the police state terror method, to sway people...BUT, now they are having second thoughts...Manipulation of DNA, using various methods, is something they have tried and mostly failed at....However, ascension will happen for those who are selected by spirit, to ascend, in any given era...And spirit is always in charge, not government, or some crazy boffin, giving advice to governments...

    Nobody needs to give away their power to any "authority." So yes, we can refuse the narrative and counter it....We ascend IF WE WANT TO AND HAVE ATTAINED THE LIGHT QUOTIENT GRADE...The dark cannot stop it...
  • You are welcome. It is nice that we 'meet' while 'comming from different places'.☺
  • what I take out from your discussion here is, that we are safe and the dark cabal can not interfere with our ascension, if we stay the course and don't get confused!
    thank you Drekx and Roaring Lovely
  • Dreks,

    Exactly! Thanks a lot for your input! Only 'spirits' can capture 'spirits'. A perhaps surprising fact is that one can even show that by reasoning using known physics! Something unseen in the ordinary sense e.g the so called 'dark matter' cannot be captured. But 'dark matters' can possibly capture themselves using 'dark electromagnetism'. You can search more on 'dark electroweak force'.
  • If you think of your personality to be due to a wave that cannot be copied or deleted, then we solve the puzzle of how your brain can manifest a single, distinct personality despite being made of many particles. You don't become another person by eating different food, of course. So whatever matter that enters your body must be turned into your personality. So the personality must be a property that matter can be turned into, rather than it being a permanent, intrinsic feature of what it looks like a single piece of matter. So a 'wave' in matter is a good model.

    Being impossible to copy tackles the problem of 'one person at two places' together with the absurdities accompanying it.

    But this suggest that quantum theory of mind is the ideal model. Remember that quantum particles, e.g. electrons, are actually waves. But these are waves that cannot be copied nor deleted as such would tantamount to creating the electron or destroying it! So we can say that our personality must be due to a macroscopic manifestation of a quantum phenomenon, sort of like some quantum coherence.

    But such a 'residual' quantum coherence is not too difficult to uchieve. Decorence only drastically reduces the wave amplitude but it does not destroy it completely.

    Also notice that such a 'physical' theory of 'soul' is completely equivalent to the traditional! This debunks the common claim that one cannot reason or study 'soul' scientifically. There is nothing inherent in the idea of 'after life' that makes it antagonistic to science!
  • Agreed, a Soul cannot be "captured" by technologies on this world, or other worlds, including the darkest denizens of the former Anchara continuum..
    The Soul inhabits planes of consciousness, dimensions, which far transcend the Machiavellian minds of astral plane forces. The Kingdom of Souls is where mastery of self will take us...Just as a human being incarnated has a mind, emotional body and physical body...So a Solar Angel possesses an atmic body(mind correspondent,) buddhic body ("emotional" correspondent,) and light body (made of mental substance.)

    Note that this solar expression is a full octave higher upon the cosmic aetheric plane....The dark cannot touch it and cannot reach it....The astral entities of cosmos and Earth's Black Lodge, do not have the necessary refinement to visit these higher planes, let alone capture beings within them....

    A Soul can only be karmically captured, under the laws of karma, for planets and higher cosmic levels...This is simply a rebalancing process....within spiritual laws...

    No dark technology captures a soul, anywhere in cosmos....Unless it wants to be captured...And even then, that is a decision made, rather than forcible capture..

    Anyone who suggests that Zeta greys have the motive, or ability, to capture human souls, is being fed dark disinformation and should desist from doing so...

    Moreover, the soul is a reflection of the divine Monad (spirit,) so even if a soul were captured, the spiritual self is still free, at even higher levels, we call monadic plane level..
    What then...?? Spirit is free to select another soul....It simply does not happen...This universe has LAWS and they are never broken easily, even by dark denizens with overactive imaginations...
  • So for a scientist to transfer consciousness from your brain all the way to a computer, he must quantum entangle every particle in your brain to a corresponding particle in the computer!! This will make all the particles synchronized and so we can truely say 'your brain is at two places all at once'. The 'two things' cannot be 'the same thing' if they are not doing the same thing. If the 'two things' in question are actually two ensembles of quantum particles, e.g. your brain, then they must do the same thing up to quantum level!

    Of course this formidable task is impossible! The different environments instantly 're-entangles' the particles making the two ensembles do two different things!
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