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      Pichu > Butterfly November 3, 2011 at 5:06am

      Thanks, actually during my spare time I keep picturing myself being the creative director of an awesome agency in LA or somewhere nice in California, it always lifts me up! lol
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  Rosie November 2, 2011 at 9:04pm

  Hi Butterfly, here's my take on your question.

  I've always been advised that assumption & presumption is a potentially dangerous & negative state of being. If, as all our guides are advising us, our awakening/ascending is from the INSIDE out as opposed to the outside in (control mechanism, fear based stuff) then why would any of us choose to project the potential for further suffering by having an economic collapse?  What we create from the inside (our thoughts/minds) really does come into being/become our reality (Manifestation). Nothing is set in stone EVERYTHING is open to change. I am constantly being advised by my higher self & guides to mindfully watch all my thoughts.....I am entirely practical here by sending out the intent for the most positive outcome for EVERYONE. In other words visualising the life I choose, in ALL it's gloriously divine richness, diversity, unity, peacefullness, beauty LOVE, LIGHT AND MUCH MUCH MORE! 

  Imagine if we all did this instead of getting caught up in further illusion!!!

  Seems to be another desperate measure, and yet another failing attempt, of a fear based control mechanism. 

  Sending pure divine unconditional LOVE, LIGHT & glorious Rainbows to you & to all around you. Namaste 
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    Butterfly > Rosie November 2, 2011 at 9:24pm

    ok Rosie,

     

    But have you seen the Hopi stone, that indicates man has come to a fork in the road.  Man could have stayed with nature (lived in indigeonous ways) but he went off course onto a materialistic path.  That path was destructive from the Hopi's views.

     

    I'm not dreaming of a collapse but I'm facing the reality that we could all be in the shit.  I've seen trucks not make it to the supermarket in order to restock the shelves, during flooding - at the start of this year 2011.  Supermarket shelves cleared in 1 week!

     

    I respectfully disagree even tho I do see your viewpoint.  I guess we could visualise bartering with like minded people.  I see many hippies who wouldn't give a flip about owning land yet would be delighted to be a community and start growing their own.  I would like to visualise this.
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      Rosie > Butterfly November 3, 2011 at 1:38am

      Yes absolutely to uniting and sharing for the good of all, be it within communities or further. Remembering, learning and teaching all the old ways. O:-D
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    John Jancar > Rosie November 2, 2011 at 9:10pm

    I'm with you Rosie. I think Butterfly is right, we should be prepared, just in case....but, we should focus our power on a positive outcome for everybody, no economic collapse causing hardships. But then again, we might need an economic collapse to learn some harsh lessons.....I hope not lol
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  John Jancar November 2, 2011 at 9:02pm

  I don't feel the economy is going to collapse. I feel that, just when it's on the verge of collapse, we will see the introduction of the new system.

   

  Based on my experience, and from what I see around the world, I think that the vast majority of people can see that things are very wrong, and we need something new. We need a new way of doing business. Some people see it more in a personal selfish sense, i.e. my life is in the gutter, we need a new system so my life will be better. And others see it from a more collective perspective, i.e. people are hurting, we need a new system so that everyone can have a better life.

   

  I still think, though, that we can't really blame the system for what our life is. Even if it is stacked against us, even if it does make it harder for people to get ahead, even if the system robs people to benefit the top few, I still think...if you are exceptional, if you are determined and work hard, are honest, and talented...you will become a success, you will do good work and contribute positive things to society. I feel that too often, people blame their own shortcomings on the system. That, to me, is shifting personal responsibility. To me, any soul who is exceptional, will make it and make a great life for themselves, no matter what the system is. It's our power, as creators.
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    Geo:) > John Jancar November 3, 2011 at 11:02am

    I think we won't be able to see the new "system" untill we can and are able too see it, then it will work, perhaps it can't be introduced untill people are ready within to see it, otherwise it will not work, period
    
    I feel this is part of why the occupy movement is attached to this whole thing, also I think the future system is about community, it won't be able to work in any other way
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    Butterfly > John Jancar November 2, 2011 at 9:20pm

    Gee John, I think we have finally reached an agreement here. 

     

    I am presenting the theory on another forum, where I have suggested that farmers start sharing their land so that people can start working together as a community on them.  But the forum I'm on is very mainstream and they have absolutely no vision, only negative answers. 

     

    Working together won't matter if a person is black, white, homo, or religion.  It is a community in order to survive.

     

    My local organic store has some leaflets to get a bartering system happening.  But this is just so tiny at this stage.

     

    I think this is to do with land ownership.  Land ownership was a Patriarchal thing in place, 'Divide, conquer, kill off the natives'.  We wouldn't have this problem if people gave up their land.  From indigeonous views, they thought that owning land was as insane as owning a piece of the sky.

     

     
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      John Jancar > Butterfly November 2, 2011 at 9:27pm

      Right Butterfly, and that's why I feel that if an economic collapse does happen, it will be because of that, so we can learn to work together and share together. I hope it doesn't happen, I don't want to see more hardships. I grew up poor, so I know how to fend for myself with very little, so I'm not worried, I'm more concerned for others who aren't so street wise, or not used to being with nothing. They'll have a tough time, and it will be a time where we will all depend on each other. I hope it doesn't happen though, and I will choose to focus my energy on that. Thanks Butterfly :)
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  dannymh November 2, 2011 at 8:43pm

  Store food and water supplies + cash money (because the ATM's and cashing machines won't work0 for a couple of weeks. At least I did, (rice, pasta, canned vegetables, meat and bread in the freezer, medication etc..)

   

  My wife declared me crazy but I really don't care. As long as I am prepared. That's what counts.

   

  Cheers,

   

  Dan