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  Crystal Star Rose (Rosey) August 11, 2014 at 5:37am

  Something else Gramma just told me when she went to Thunder Ranch the Elder talked and they had a drumming and once in a while Mary Thunder will yell like they do I guess, really loud and scared them all, they jumped.  He spoke of some of the Lakodan beliefs and he spoke of the star people that came.  I've heard of White Buffalo woman and he said she came off a star ship!  And she gave them the sacred fire and they call themselves keepers of the fire they have never let it go out.

  When they vision quest the sponsors have to keep the fire going all night long and if the fire goes out they go get them in as they say Spirit tells them there is danger and long as the fire burns they are alright, had the worst storm come up and rain and it never put the fire out.  It was amazing.  One told her the children were visioning one week end some were only ten and the worst came up and they would go around on occasion to see the vision questers were alright and they went to see if any of the children wanted to come in and not one came it most of them were not Native blood, most of the questers were not.
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  Crystal Star Rose (Rosey) August 11, 2014 at 5:27am

  I know now I'm being attacked by lies don't know if it's posting Val's writings or just because I'm me..  I think a spiritual site people should be spiritual or be quiet maybe not all spiritual but I love you all, never been on any site but Gramma's and everyone is nice\.  If all the world could be like some are here we would soon have Heaven on Earth.  I just got meanest private from someone and I have not done anything accused... this has some of the nicest people and some strange people! :-)   When they are nice they are very nice and when strange they are very strange!  I don't get hurt or upset easy Gramma would say, "consider the source and on, fast as you can the other way!"  You are one the nice ones.  Love, Rosey
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  Crystal Star Rose (Rosey) August 11, 2014 at 3:24am

  Lisa, did not say it, she is honorary Lakodan tribe, she smoked the sacred pipe in ceremony when she was there at Thunder Ranch.  She gave them a small mobile home she was not using as the Elders would come to the ceremonies and had no place to sleep. They said they would always take her name to the smoke lodge, she cannot get hot because of a condition from childhood and couldn't go into the smoke lodge or sweat lodge she corrected me!  The Elder said would do one just for her and take only one stone in but do not think she did..that's before you do the vision quest and Mary Thunder told her she could come back do it free anytime and if Mary still has the ranch I may take her to be her sponsor you have to have a sponsor, and she can do her vision quest.  I know Val would come stay with her so nothing would get her!  She laughs at me!

  Thank you so much for interpretation of the Eagle feather I will copy it for her to keep. She says the prophesy was for this time she believes and the star people have been with the Native Americans many times and have promised to come back and now may be the time.  The Bible tells us some will be alive and will be changed in twinkling of an eye to their immortal bodies and that is what will happen to my Gramma when her starman comes and then they will not laugh at her anymore. The evil woman had a blog up here advertising website with my Gramma's picture she sent her in good faith as she is 83 now and she has it on website calling it Val Thor's mother and so humiliating to our whole family and no one will her she is evil and should not do that to our Gramma! I ask for prayer right now from, you sweet people that the website come down and never go up again and the evil woman stop lying about my Gramma right here on this site and does not want me to stay and comes on my profile to be rude and speak evil of me and Valana Thor and I keep deleting her! She does not want Gramma's writings to be anywhere and tried to close her little site up and it didn't work and will not as long as I am alive.

  Crystal Star Rose is my name there...Rosey
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    Lisa Barnthouse-Fraser > Crystal Star Rose (Rosey) August 11, 2014 at 3:56am

    and that prophesy lines up to be true i know exactly what they were saying in the prophesy and yes the star people were with the natives and yes there are natives that are star people also. how spirit loved your gram such an honor he bestowed upon her i love my lineage they are sacred and spiritual. let your gram know that spirit never left her and he watches over her that when these attacks come he is there shielding her. she is doing right to be attacked like this tell her to keep going the more and more shes on the right pathe the more she will be attacked but tell her to stay the course she is protected and blessed and dearly loved
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  Crystal Star Rose (Rosey) August 11, 2014 at 3:14am

  I'll tell her what you said she will be happy thank you.  Then years later she was coming home from singing at church and Val used to go with her he loves singing, and coming home, she was alone at the time but not afraid and Val was with her, she sensed another astral presence as she opened the door but very spiritual presence she thought was an angel and it was an Indian chief. He wore buckskin coat with paintings on it and his headdress was white eagle feathers that came down to his hips.  Val said he wanted her to meet Chief White Eagle and listen to his teaching.

  She tried to find Chief White Eagle and found some channeling from England the channel had passed on but it did not seem to be right, not the same White Eagle. One night  she said she was out under her trees there in the country where she would take her bible and meditate in day time and Val came (astrally always, invisible but Gramma can see and hear in astral she walks in two worlds since child like the Shamans).  Val said you want to go to a drumming circle with White Eagle and she said yes so then she was in astral and Val said he could not go in, to go ahead,She was standing in the shadows and the drums were beating and there was a open fire and Chief White Eagle was standing under a tree and his woman sitting at his feet with pretty colored shawl over her shoulders.

  She saw her and said, "Come in Star Man's woman and sit with us and hear the words of Chief White Eagle."  So she sat down by the woman and the woman began to prophesy.  Gramma can tell me the words maybe not exact but almost same wish she still had that but so  many computers went down and it is gone. This is the prophesy she wrote for me as well as she can remember::

  "The waters will be poison, the vine will not bare vines.  There will be no seed in the fruit and no longer can they produce food, the fruit tree will not bare fruit and storms will kill many and the ground will open and swallow them up.  And at the time of big war the star people will return to us as they promised us, they will stop the war and your star man will be with you once more and you will live to see this day. Now go back from where you came, Star Man's woman,  and tell him you have heard the words of Chief White Eagle."

  Chief White Eagle never spoke only the woman spoke for him as Gramma speaks for Val. Dr Richard Boylan believed the prophesy and was posted on his first mailing list in the late 90's and in Sassy's World of the Strange online newsletter and Gramma's www.val.thor.com website she had for Val for years under her birth name Patti Spencer. She only started calling herself Valana as Val asked her to few years ago.  Many would post her writings she had many friends back then she no longer owns the valthor.com site.  We believe the prophesy of Chief White Eagle though Val has never confirmed he would do it... yes Gramma said yes he has.  She is sitting back of me I am staying with her she wants me to go off to school but not going this semester.  Rosey.

   
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  Crystal Star Rose (Rosey) August 11, 2014 at 2:49am

  Not me, Lisa it was my Gramma.  She's told me the story happened long ago.  She had written Chief White Eagle Prophesy and it was posted a lot of places in late 90's.  It concerns the war, too, I'd have to write it or get her to and post in a blog perhaps as it is good. She doesn't have it written anymore. Started when she worked at USAF Hqtrs in late 80's and she visited Thunder Ranch near Houston. I want to go do a vision quest there if it is still going on. She went to a vision quest you know what that is? She did not go out to vision as had no sponsor and never could get anyone to go with her.  But she was there and a Native American girl took her up to the ceremonial grounds where they had a circle and different things around it.  She asked could go in and she said yes and she took off her shoes, and entered and stopped at the images and went round it and came back out.  

  The girl told her she had entered at the elders and children's entrance and was right to take off her shoes. So she must have had incarnation as Native American evidently and knew what to do. She said she did all the right things.  Walking back to the camp there was white feather on the ground, the girl picked it up gave it to her said Spirit wants you to have this as there are no white eagles she ever saw there and it was white eagle feather.
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  Crystal Star Rose (Rosey) August 11, 2014 at 12:38am

  What does a white eagle feather mean if gifted to you?
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    Phylos > Crystal Star Rose (Rosey) August 11, 2014 at 7:33am

    It means you are in violation of a federal law, unless you are a bona-fide Native American. It is a felony to possess Bald Eagle feathers, even if you didn't kill an eagle to get them. I wouldn't worry too much, but then again...? I once found a bunch of them floating in the sea in Ak, but I had to leave them where they were or place myself in legal vulnerability.
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    Lisa Barnthouse-Fraser > Crystal Star Rose (Rosey) August 11, 2014 at 2:23am

    gift of an eagle feather is of honor indicates right of passage earned. commitment to the spirit. it being white means purity lightness gentleness of a child full of spirit. in christianity God says come unto me as a child. thats because they are pure innocence and joy and love.  so if a native american gifted this to you it means they saw those exact qualities within you it is an honor to be gifted this.
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  Lisa Barnthouse-Fraser August 11, 2014 at 12:24am

  The crystal in that picture isnt rare its very common in fact but its a good cleansing crystal helps to take the bad out and leave only the good in you can use it for scrying but a gift of a crystal from anyone is the fact they seen you needed the specific crytal for a specific task i have given many away for different reasons but never turn one down it becomes a connection for the spiritual world to help resolve your issue