Someone recently posted a question about Ascension on here and I just thought I would clarify the issue for everyone to the best of my knowledge. (and Saint Germain is helping me with this)
Do people really think 4D and 5D stuff has anything at all to do with the physical world? Wherever did that come from? And for that matter I wonder why everyone seems to think 4D and 5D are so great anyway.
I think people are deluding themselves with these fleeting concepts... when they don't really know what is going on. They've just taken something someone else said and glamorized it as their own. And that kind of misinformation is dangerous and distracting.
These sorts of changes take place on the Non-Physical realm, the realm of emotions, of the soul, thoughts. Discorporate, not having anything to do with a physical form.
The physical world is the absolute bottom of the barrel. Everything that happens down here stays down here. Even the lowest Spiritual levels exist on a higher energy wavelength than the highest physical dimension.
And you know why? Because all the physical dimensions, as you would call them, really exist in one cohesive whole. It is true that some might exist on higher frequencies than the others but the differences are really insignificant compared to something that wouldn't exist as Matter At All.
The physical world is just a place where things hold their shape and form without additional energy input, something that is not true in the Spirit World. Matter is stable, raw energy is not.
Matter exists in the physical world Only. Not in the Spirit World.
Stop thinking and believing that 4D and 5D and 6D actually mean your Physical Body is going to raise its frequency and not exist in the 3 lower dimensions anymore.
Because its your Spirit that changes, and the Spirit is separate from the body, and the Spirit doesn't exist in the Physical world at all.
The only thing Physical about you at all is your Physical Body - that thing that is made of flesh and bone and has blood pumping through it.
Your Soul is really who you are - that's where your Consciousness is. Its only connected to the physical body by way of energetic connections at various points of the body (the strongest of which is the brain).
It only Identifies itself as the Physical Body because This is where its focus is. But Who You Really Are is more or less formless, whatever form it wants to have at any given moment.
After someone is dead their body stays here, yet they move on. Interesting huh, how while you're alive and when you're dead everything that really makes up "you" has no matter at all. The body goes into the casket and gets put in the ground, and it rots and keeps taking up space, while You have gone and left and you're finished with that lifetime and probably moved on to your next one already.
So why on earth would increasing in vibration from 3D to 4D or 5D (or whatever D) have any effect on the Physical Body that you're inhabiting?
I hate to break it to you but the Body is just a Vehicle for the Soul. It is expendable, the Body only changes during this Ascension process to be able to hold more of the Soul energy in it. Which doesn't change the makeup of the physical body as being Physical - it just changes the "wiring" inside the body and that's about it.
The most advanced physical human body isn't going to exist on a different physical dimension than a normal density-ridden body. Its just not going to have all those imperfections to it. Its still going to be made of Carbon, Oxygen, Hydrogen, and the other chemicals and they're going to be just as solid/physical as ever.
So whats really going on with all this is Spiritual Evolution. It means the Soul (non physical) is opening up to carrying higher and higher frequencies of energy.
And it can do that because it has Learned what it takes to be able to Reflect those higher frequencies of thoughts, emotions, and spiritual energy.
The reason the Spiritual Evolution process is so important is because you can only Reflect (have) frequencies that you have Learned and Accepted as a Soul.
Unfortunately this is a rather Linear process involving the (non physical) Energy Bodies that make up the Aura/Soul. The Energy Bodies are each associated with a Chakra energy center.
What is so often referred to as 4D is really just a person who has awakened within them the capability to be Unconditionally Loving whenever they want to be. Its an energy that they know how to work with, something they know how to give. Because they have Mastered the lower 3 energies of Survival, Desire, and Power and they are moving into something higher.
A whole planet of 4D people sounds nice though doesn't it? Its a world where everyone has an honest kindness to everyone else.
Why? Because they all have a fully awakened Heart, and that gives them a Conscience.
Along those same lines 5D is just one step further up on this ladder. That's a person who has awakened within them the capability to really know Right from Wrong - Integrity - and following their Personal Truth. They know what is right for them. They are compelled to express Truth. They will not stand for Lies.
A whole planet of 5D people sounds Really nice doesn't it? Its a world where not only is everyone compassionate with others but they are also On The Level too. These people as a society will not Keep Secrets just because its convenient to do so (even out of compassion).
But an Individual can reach these levels and those much higher if they want to. You can, even if the rest of the world is having trouble making the first step.
And I can tell you that Most of what you would call Lightworkers or Lightwarriors are already at least 5th Dimensional.
The ones called Indigos are 5th dimensional - - and usually Indigoes are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to Lightworkers. In terms of spiritual frequency they make up the broadest category of spiritual workers in this movement.
They are called Indigo because of the Blue energy in their aura, which is a reflection of their Spiritual Advancement to the point where they have embodied the Truth vibration.
That's why Indigos are so hard to control and corral - they already know their Personal Truth even if they aren't consciously aware of it. And that's a really good thing because it means they wont easily allow themselves to be thrown off their mission.
And the ones called Crystals are even higher vibration at 6th dimensional. They embody the energies of the 3rd Eye chakra... which causes them to be more peaceful, playful, and creative (and psychic) than the Indigos. Less rough around the edges.
And even those stages are really only the Start of what this ascension process is really about. That's just when you start getting to the good stuff and you can see past the drama of the 3D issues.
What most of you believe is going on with the "ascension" of earth into 5D really just means that Everyone on this planet would be resonating at the same level as an Indigo or higher.
That's all.
There is so much... so much more than just the 5D to look forward to guys. Even most of the ETs resonate at a higher than 5D level - try 9D or 11D.
And yes maybe the ETs also have physical bodies that reside on a higher frequency in the physical world too - but that has nothing to do with their Spiritual advancement. That's just the bodies their spirit chose to take on.
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Be warned. The process may kill you, it is not an easy path. Their are tests. Challenges that one must pass. If you are not ready for change do not apply. It is treated like a job resume. Cover letter, resume, and a personal letter must be sent. I only want you to see. I want to meet face to face. I do not fear.
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RE: Regarding the issue of the word "Dimensions"
The problem with it is that our language isn't built to handle this sort of concept. There are many different "types" of dimensions and they All mean something different.
1) Dimensions as levels of an individual physical universe only. Everything in these "dimensions" consists of solid matter and energy and operates under various laws of physics, but because these dimensions are mainly unaffected by others that are not directly connected to them it creates scenarios where things can pass through each other.
In terms of Dimensions this kind consists of things like Length, Width, Height, Spin, and so on. For example the Tube-Taurus represented by the Flower Of Life is a 5th Dimensional object - it has length, width, and height, but it also has 2 forms of Spinning action going on as well.
There are a number of Extraterrestrial races that live out their entire lives in these other Dimensions of the physical world, that don't readily interact with ours.
There are 12 of these Dimensions, and none of them are really better than any others, it is like they are side by side.
2) Dimensions as levels of Spiritual Being, meaning the Quality of the universe, and amount of Light that either an Individual is embodying or the Universe/World around them is.
This is described primarily by my explaination as Dimensionality being based on Chakras.
For example a 5D person or a 5D reality meaning that Compassion and Integrity are also Core Concepts to the functioning of that individual or reality, in addition to Survival, Desire, and Power. Because it activates and utilizes all of the energies up to the 5th chakra.
I think this is what people are really talking about with the "4D Earth" and "5D Earth" for example. A world and entire universe maybe with higher evolved concepts that are not simply taken as a passing fancy, but Core aspects that require consideration in every part of life and living.
...but that has nothing to do with the physical world... only of the actions taken by those in it.
3) Dimensions as Parallel Dimensions, where each possibility is like its own universe and we are navigating through a countless number of these possibilities with every moment that passes by.
But all Parallel Dimensions are associated with a Single Universe, they are all possibilities that universe may have created, and really they represent the Holographic Reality of what that Universe IS.
From beginning to end, that Universe is a single product, and the countless Parallel Dimensions are just places of perspective from within that Universe.
If you were to travel to a Parallel Dimension you would actually just be Changing your present reality, since you are within that Universe and that parallel dimension is just another aspect of that same universe. This is how Manifestation has always worked.
4) Dimensions as Alternate Realities - actual Other Universes that have their own history and maybe even a different set of physics.
If you think of a Universe as a sandbox to play in, an Alternate Reality would be a sandbox down the street. Like the parallel dimensions within a single universe, there are also an infinite number of Alternate Realities too.
When it comes to Alternate Realities, if you were to travel there you would actually be going to a completely different place, and it would not necessarily affect Your Reality back home.
So really there are alot of different meanings that we attribute to the word "Dimension" so you have to be specific with what you are talking about. We don't really have specific words for these concepts because they are so Obscure (occult) that words were never created for them.
Dimensions? Spiritual Evolution? Parallel Dimensions? Alternate Realities? These are all pretty vague terms to use for core intrinsic aspects of our reality.
An outstanding post Sirgalahadwizard; One question though: how does one be rid of karma?
There is basically one way I know of - use the Violet Flame of Transmutation. It has the necessary high vibration to neutralize the karma.
Karma is actually stored in the 8th Chakra (above the head) so you carry it with you and it does manifest things. So its not necessarily that there is energy out there.
However in order to do the karma cleansing you must ask the Violet Flame to do it in all directions of time, in all places, and in all ways. That means it also nails any karma you may produce in the future, since it goes outside of time.
When all the Karma is neutralized like that, it actually destroys the Karmic Record template itself, which makes it as if you never did have karma before either.
End result is karma basically doesn't exist anymore. That doesn't mean you can be cocky about it, but you shouldn't worry that you will accidentally incur Karma in the future.
Part of this recognizance is that you will be doing your best from now on, it is basically the same emotional process as Repenting and turning away from old ways.
Thank you for your assistance Sirgalahadwizard, your wisdom is abundant.
I was reading this book and it was talking about people having ascension experiences and it sounds like they are literally leaving their bodies, and flying away. I became confused after that, but then I read some responses from the other discussion. It is also full of many different spiritual experiences as well as other experiences. I would assume that ascension is different for everyone, but still our vibrations increase and we change and become closer to spirit. I was also thinking that even though my body may be 3d it is still connected to everything that is and think it is important to not see 3d as something entirely different.... a dual perspective on 3d. my body exists in the 3d, but it is not solid. We can see our bodies being a 6th dimensional antenna....or even see the body as white translucent light...and maybe the change in our prespectives and how we see our bodies will also increase our vibrations......it is all one from the astral heavenly top to the matter condensing on the ground...;)
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8th dimensional doesn't mean you're done.
You have to be 12th dimensional to be done with this physical existence. (you have to graduate from 12th actually)
The man (Obama) has a vibration of 400,000 bu and that is something that you cannot fake, it does not naturally occur on this planet.
A 5th dimensional Indigo Child has a vibration of 50,000 bu, so his is 8 times higher than that. And in case you're wondering the "bu" stands for bovis units, an old form of spiritual frequency testing used in conjunction with dowsing rods and pendulums.
Im 9th Dimensional (2,500,000 bu)... does that mean im done?
It used to be 5th and 6th before, then it jumped to 8th when I canceled my karma, now I am at 9th.
(if you don't believe me, read my energy yourself)
No - there are things I want to do. But im certainly not Required to stay here because of some limitations like Karma or whatever.
If I didn't have Soul Desires to do things in the physical world I would probably shift very rapidly and then become an Ascended Master and be gone from here.
It is the desire for Experience that keeps me here. That's all.
And rendering Service is just another form of Experience.
Life is about more than "Karmic Bonds".
Life is also about Experience.
Even if you are a Master of life that doesn't mean that you are necessarily done with life.
Only when you are truly done with life can you leave. Its not just about wanting to leave, its also about not having any reason to stay.
You have to be pushed to the point where there is no way that you can Learn anything more in the physical world. There are lessons and treasures to a point of infinity that lay Beyond our level of existence, but you have to be advanced enough to take part in them. Those are the lessons you take up as an Ascended Master.
Could it then, make sense, that Obama's lifetime doing what he's doing now is fitting for someone of his level, and also probably a Test of his Patience and his ability to Hold His Ground?
Sounds like a real tough position, to be sitting in the jaws of the Illuminati like that and not blow your own brains out.
This has to do with changes going on to the Body itself, as I described the "wiring" of the body. Just the way the body is configured, that's it.
My interpretation of that is up until now the Body has been reliant only on the chemical nature of Carbon, and all the other chemicals in the body. No order or beauty to the arrangement, just whatever is necessary to make the system work.
But the transfer to crystalline means that the way that the atoms are arranged now has to be taken into account.
This is like the difference between water when it is simply Ice... and when water is a Snowflake. One of them has a neatly ordered and beautiful arrangement and the other is jumbled up (though Ice is always a crystal, so the example is at a loss).
Its not that our bodies are going to physically turn into diamonds or something and you can see through somebody like they're made of glass.
Though with the way the various structures of the body may be realigning on a microscopic level, it might well be considered that we are becoming crystalline in nature.
I would say, the Physical Body is becoming Augmented to allow a "higher bandwidth" connection with spirit, and be able to run more Spiritual Energy through the body without suffering side effects.
Still, these are just changes going on with the Physical Body, technically its mutation.
(One consequence worth mentioning, when the 2012 Event occurs we will all be endowed with a full range of our abilities and the capability to draw down immense levels of spiritual energy. However for those who are Not wanting to participate in the Ascension they have not been undergoing these physical changes.)
(So when this event occurs they will suddenly be able to channel really high energies through their body without even thinking about it... but their body wont be able to handle that. So unexpectedly and without warning they might just fall over dead - burned out like a lightbulb - as if electrocuted by spiritual power).