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  Marique May 12, 2012 at 6:43am

  I know what you mean about that.  My mother was in an alzheimers hospital/nursing home for 8 long years and it was so very sad and gutwrenching to watch those poor people with that disease just sit there suffering emotionally and physically.  I know that my mother did not want to live like that, she used to ask me and my brother to just let her go or help her to "go home" as she called it.  Eventually she lost the ability to even speak or function in any way and she was just so depressed, I could see it in her eyes.  If there had been any legal way to help her go home I would have done it for her, because I loved her so much and felt her pain..She passed this past November and I was so happy she was finally at peace. .I believe that people who are that sick and far gone have a right to choose to leave all that pain and die with dignity. 
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  Vagelis4VP May 11, 2012 at 7:48pm

  ..personally i dont believe in Near Death Experiences.... 

  "Near Death Experience" is not the same as a "Real Death Experience"... who knows if NDE just take u until a certain point...and not to the whole nine yards...

  many new-agers take death very lightly... and for sure i wont trust anyone thinking that he/she had died, and all is well forever after, when he/she cross over to just another perceivable reality for a short time...

  Death is very Real in my view....
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    Marique > Vagelis4VP May 12, 2012 at 6:32am

    You have a very valid point but NDEs DO exist that is why they call them NEAR death, the distinction is that a NDE is not a permanent death, it is just a suspension of all indicators of being in a living state, i.e., breathing, brain activity, heart beating, blood glasses in a balanced condition, a pulse and all of the usual indications of life versus not living.  It could be that a NDE is just a small sneak peak at the real deal and that is my perspective on that....however it could be that the NDE experience is just like the scenary on the way to the final destination, which could be one big void, fade out, nobody home for all of eternity, I just do not know...My feeling though is that spirit can never be made to not exist any longer, it lives on eternally in one state or the other.  I certainly think that most people indeed feel that Death is very REAL as you put it, that is why so many people fear it, it is the ultimate unknown.. 

     

     I have no idea personally of what it is like to be dead and STAY dead, only have been PRONOUNCED dead, but then again I never did take orders or pronouncements very well. (sick joke, sorry).    I can't say what it is like to have a permanent disconnect from a body obviously but having a temporary disconnect was an awesome experience for me, an ultimate rush of a lifetime, and I have no fear anymore although maybe I should, who knows....  I believe that death is not a horrible thing just think it is a natural progression of spiritual growth. But I agree that there seems to be a glibness sometimes in new age communities......an attitude of "no biggy", and at first that really threw me for a loop.  I think a lot of that attitude comes from channelings that people believe that say that death is an illusion and all that rhetoric...  I have gotten used to people taking death so lightly, but I think this generation is definitely less intense about it, maybe because from birth we are bombarded with death, on tv, in the movies, in videos and video games....it is treated as a no biggy....same with wars, it is kind of glossed over when people are encouraged to kill the enemy....I have had so many family members pass this year that the finality of it weighs heavily on me, and I take death very seriously, but do not fear it with dread. 
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  turtles May 11, 2012 at 5:58pm

  to activate the light body is to change the physical matter to light itself. so your flesh and bone becomes transmuted into light itself, and you will not die.
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  Marique May 11, 2012 at 3:57pm

   I totally think that the way death is viewed in the western civilization is definitely off.  I mean people do not even like to THINK about dying...talk to anyone who is terminally ill and they will tell you that people shun them and do not want to talk about the ill person's demise and are uncomfortable about being around them, and squirm like worms to get away from the ill person, even their own family sometimes.  Guess mankind in general just does not want to face the reality that they too will die some day....it is the ultimate taboo, and a lot of people are dreadfully afraid of it and struggle and struggle even when dying to stay alive. 

   My father in law was like that, he was terminally ill and lingering and lingering and was totally terrified of letting go.  For some reason he thought that dying is extremely painful (another misconception) and I tried to tell him it wasn't...and I knew it from my own experiences.  I prayed and prayed that my deceased friends and relatives would come to him so he would not feel so frigtened and one day my fatherinlaw was laying there staring blankly ahead and he smiled the largest smile that I had ever seen on his face (he was really grumpy by nature) and he told me that "they have come to take me home!" He passed away with a huge grin on his face and I cried tears of joy for him.  So I hope that people will figure out that dying does not hurt and that there is nothing to fear.

  Sylvain I will definitely party for you, and hopefully you will party for me.  I will probably go first because I am older than you and already have had 2 trial runs, lol.  So raise a toast for me that I finally got it right...

  God bless  
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  Oriannubis May 11, 2012 at 12:31am

   Interesting, I had a dream 2 days ago that someone was telling me I was going to die, and I wasn't even bothered by it. they explained it in great detail, as if it was a good thing.  hahahah I took it as a death of my EGO. :) if not, then its ok anyway. oh well......lol.
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  Marique May 10, 2012 at 7:02pm

  Thanks Frank, I love this post...short sweet and I totally agree, lol.  I have been clinically "dead" twice and medically revived and the adventure and experience I had when released from my body's grip on my soul was an awesome experience.  I have no fear of dying any more, it is the living that is more difficult.  Not that I have booked for my next flight to the other side just yet, just that my fear that it is the end of my soul and existence has been changed to joy that this 3-D experience that has been my life is just a small scene in a much larger play.  Once you are no longer afraid of death the going is much easier, and the trip more relaxing and enjoyable.  I know it may sound goulish but been there and done that...Next time I die I hope to not get sent back because I booked flight to early....lol. 
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    Daytuner > Marique May 10, 2012 at 10:12pm

    For your eyes only dear Marique ;)

    From Pranaworld with Love
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      Marique > Daytuner May 11, 2012 at 12:52am

      OMG this guy cannot sing for crap but sooo funny and quirky, hahahaha..Daytuner......but he is right about it being a positive experience, or at least it was for me...

       

      I have talked to a man that also had an NDE and he had what he considered a horrible experience.  It may have been that mine were pleasant because both times I had no time to think about dying or become afraid, it was spontaneous so no time for fearful thoughts to complicate the experience.  The first time I "died" I bled to death while pregant with my second son (had a total body transfusion and they brought me back (obviously), lol.  Second time I died I was on a treadmill in my doctors office and my heart first started beating really eratically and then just stopped alltogether.  So not time to think about death that time either, I had been gone a few moments at least before the ambulance arrived....I do recall being out of my body and hovering at the top of the back of the ambulance and trying to push through the top of the ambulance and I managed to float up through....and had a glorius reunion with some of my dead relatives and two of my foster sons.  They gave me the paddles in the ambulance and brought me back......boy was I angry...I did not WANT to come back.  Now I have a do not resusitate (DNR) on file at the local hospital and one that I have instructed my roomate to give ambulance attendents if I should ever have to go via ambulance again. 
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    Jumagwa > Marique May 10, 2012 at 7:53pm

    Hi Marique;

    I definately relate to what you say.  Some others I know that had death experiences say that they are still trying to get over the anger of being sent back.

    One day not long ago a thought was  "given"  to me.  It said........"This lifetime,this sequence of years is but a moment in your real life."