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  Roaring Lovely August 11, 2022 at 10:36am

  

  Oh! I forgot to note that the problem with defining 'parasite' as strictly 'living inside the host' is that it neatly excludes cloths lice, bed bugs, mosquitoes etc from 'parasite' category. Clothes lice do not live IN us. They live NEAR us, just like we live near plants. For those who, liking being compared say to head lice of ticks, opt to define parasite as 'living inside the host' rather than 'living near the host', you only wind up being comparable to clothes lice or bedbugs.😆 Are you now comfortable with this comparison?
  
  We live near cows so we may milk them. Bed bugs live in our beds so the may suck our blood. Is there any biologically meaning difference? Nope!
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  Roaring Lovely August 11, 2022 at 9:22am

  

  Now, there are those who say 'parasite' proper must live inside the host, without killing the host. But still some people, me included, do not see two connected objects as two different objects at all. Thus 'parasite-host' dichotomy is also mistaken to a good extent. Same applies to seeing 'parasites' as only harmfull.
  
  It is even said that the mitochondrion was once a parasite in the now eukaryotic cell! So an organism can capture a parasite in evolution and henceforth becomes one with the parasite! In a similar way, we know that cows and other ruminants absolutely needs bacteria in their stomachs to digest raw foods! Same applies to morphogenesis even in humans. There are bacterial living in us thal helps in development of our bodies! Should we categories these helpull bacterial as 'parasites' because they live inside bodies? To me, yes. So seeing a parasite as only harmful is a drawing of a line in the sand! It is more of a categorization based on human concerns rather than a scientifically meaningful criteria! It is much the same way as categorizing 'fruit' such that Sodom Apple and other non-edible fruits are not 'fruits'. It was done for our own human convenience, not for accurate, biological understanding. It was like we wanted to avoid eating poisons alongside 'fruits', and so we opted to simply say 'those are not fruits'. In a similar way, we wanted to avoid harmful parasites, and so we defined 'parasites' to suite our needs!
  
  We live 'inside' the plantine environment, in a manner not much different from how lice can live in our heads! We need oxygen from plants but plants can get both oxygen and co2 from other plants! So we need plants but plants don't need us! We also harm plants but they don't harm us! We walk on grass, climb trees, dig vegetation off, fell trees, use them to fence, prunes them etc etc. So animal-plant relationship cannot be accurately categorized under 'sympiosis'. It is more accurately 'parasitic'!
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  Roaring Lovely August 11, 2022 at 7:24am

  

  When a reptile suckles a cow etc, we laugh off and call them 'parasites'. When human milk cows, we call it 'dairy farming' and boast about how good we are in the job! Whats the difference? Ticks suck cows, we use their skins for bags, shoes and jackets. We harm the cow more than the ticks does!!
  
  But I am not making the ridiculous 'vegetarianism' argument where they point a fingur to humans. That is how we are. It is not our fault! It is not the fault of a tick that it must make a cow sick. That is how it was created! If it is 'bad' to be parasites, then you are blaming God or nature! God created lice, tsetseflies, jiggers, flies, cockroaches, tapeworm etc! I mean it is not the devil that did these! If the same being that created louse is same one that created me, then it is not a surprise if I am similar to louse! All creatures are similar, and yes, we are parasites to a good extent, just like we are preys, predators, symbiots etc.
  
  When someone says 'we are all devine' or 'we are angels' or 'we are indigos', or 'we are starseeds' etc, no one complains that the comparison is inappropriate even though no one can explain how we are gods etc! I mean we are not manifestly 'omniscient', 'omnipotent' etc. How are we gods? But when I say we are parasites, people now complain yet I have give the definition of 'parasites' and explained our similarities with parasites. Granted, there may be differences between a tick and a human. But so what? Every parasite is unique. Some causes diseases, some don't. We can similarly say we walk upright, we wear clothes, we use tools, we go to schools, we listen to music etc. Does this mean that we are not mammals, given that no mammal does any of those? Nope! We must also consider our SIMILARITIES with mammals. Same applies when comparing ourselves with ticks. Yes, there is a difference between a human and what we normally call 'parasites'. But there are similarities that are of biological significance. Both a human and a tick relies on another living thing for survival. So for at least this particular characteristic, we must put a human on the same category with a tick, alongside 'living things that rely on other living things', especially for biological reason.
  
  For social reasons e.g. appearing in court, voting etc, a human is seen not to be an animal. But biologically speaking, a human is an animal. Same applies to the 'parasitic' category. Man perfectly fits the BIOLOGICAL characterisation of 'parasites'!
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  Roaring Lovely August 11, 2022 at 6:36am

  

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  "I find your comparison very inappropriate, because a parasite behaves differently. It's not quite like you say. People live on earth and make a living from what there is to eat here. They don't make the earth sick because they eat"
  
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  A human polutes the environment, damages ozone layer, releases toxins to the oceans, sprays crops with toxins to kill other pests etc etc. When we do all these as a necessity for our survival, we definitely 'make the earth sick'! So I find the comparison with parasites very appropriate!
  
  A tick lives on a cow, a Bird lives on a tree, a human fells a tree and uses it to build his house. He kills a cow and uses its skin to make shoes etc. So don't we harm other living things when deriving benefits from other livings? We definitely do that! We kill billions of flies when we drive cars. We kill billions of fleas, cockroaches, spiders, etc when we sweap a place. We sprey a place with insecticides and cares less if the insects were there before you. As far as harming or sickening the host is concerned, a human is arguably the worst parasite of all! So yes, a comparison with a parasite is very appropriate!!
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  Drekx Omega August 10, 2022 at 8:43pm

  Humans are not strictly parasites and are evolving to better relations with the planet....Low consciousness makes for bad environmental outcomes, BUT, humanity is evolving...To higher consciousness....
  
  I wanted to use the word, "symbiotes," to suggest where evolution is taking Earth humanity...One of Planetary Guardianship and symbiosis, with the planet...HOWEVER....
  It seems that the moronic culture of fantasy Sci-Fi has RUINED the term and hijacked any sound meaning....These commercially driven oafs describe symbiotes as the following rubbish:
  
  "The Symbiotes are a species of inorganic, amorphous, symbiotic extraterrestrials created from the "living abyss" at the beginning of the universe by the primordial deity Knull, who manifested a sword of living darkness called All-Black from his shadow to slaughter the Celestials and other deities...." Yada-yada....End quote......!!! lol
  
  https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Symbiotes

  

  Symbiotes

  The Symbiotes are a species of inorganic, amorphous, symbiotic extraterrestrials created from the "living abyss" at the beginning of the universe by…
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  Drekx Omega August 10, 2022 at 7:29pm

  Thanks Ivy and Lee, for informing us of Valana's passing....may she rest in peace.....And as Lee states, it's somewhat strange that the death records in Valana's county, are not listed...
  
  Nevertheless, 91-years is a very good innings, as we say here....
  
  And as you are in contact with Valana's daughter, please pass on our collective ACC condolences, from the many members and friends, who interacted with her...
  
  She transitioned out in March, which was the same Month that my grandson was born into his incarnation...These are natural cycles, constantly at play...
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  Roaring Lovely August 10, 2022 at 7:05pm

  

  I am saying humans are like other living things, especially animals. They all rely on plants for survival. Any living thing that relies on another living thing is, by definition, a parasite. I am talking of all animals, not just humans.
  
  It is you, not me, who seems to think about parasites only in a negative way, and so to you, it is mean to compare a human to a parasite! To me, it is more like stopping being mean to parasites, by saying they are just like us!
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  Roaring Lovely August 10, 2022 at 5:07pm

  From Biologicall perspective
  (Which is the perspective I was considering), rather than 'ethical' perspective, 'harm' depends on the point of view. A lion can be seen as 'harming' the antelope or as doing something that is good for the ecosystem as a whole. Same is the case when you understand a human as a parasite.
  
  Remember we were talking about whether or not a virus can kill its host. Then I pointed out by showing how humans CAN damage the earth and thus is comparable to a parasite. I did not insist that humans are ACTUALLY damaging the earth. We were not talking about environmentalism, so that was not my main point. The case where human is an 'harmful parasite' was just hypothetical example to show you that a virus too CAN kill an organism. I didn't intend to insist on the claim that humans are actually harming the planet, much less, they are to be blamed. Please consider the context.
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  Roaring Lovely August 10, 2022 at 4:58am

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  "Can't read RL? I didn't say that a parasite is evil! It's I didn't say that a parasite is evil! evil to call the Humans Parasit, that's what say!"
  
  In addition to that, you also said that the real parasites are the reptilian WHO ARE ON THE DARK SIDE.
  
  Then if parasite is not any more evil than an angel, why is it 'evil' to call humans parasites? I mean it is thus not an accusation at all!
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  Lee August 10, 2022 at 1:08am

  Valana was 91 when she passed. I am baffled by the fact that there is no record of her death either by obituary, death notice, or a legal death certificate. I had asked her daughter because I wanted to pass along a link so her online friends could have closure and send out condolences, but she said her brother was supposed to have done that. Still, I don't know why their county has no record of it. I still check periodically, but no luck. She lived a long and active life and had quite the remarkable stories to tell. I miss her emails and posts.