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  • A physicist may ask why introduce the mind at all. We reason this way:

    Lets state the 'collapse' without involving the mind:

    A quantum system is in a superposition of states untill an interaction between itself and a classic device collapses the wavefuction. Then add that the interaction happens such that it reveals the location of a particle to an observer. In other words the more we are certain about the location, the more we are uncertain about the momentum.

    In othet words the physical world behaves as if it knows what it is that can reveal location to a conscious mind! This suggests there is some deep link between a physical event happening in a certain way and 'knowing that it has happened that way'

    But again be carefull to note that this is not the new age 'tree-in-the-forest theory. We don't create by observation. The best we can do is alter the behaviour of particles. We can, for instance 'squeeze' them into a thin wavepacket etc. It is also different from the new age idea in that we bring in an entirely different theory of consciousness alongside QM. New age recklessnessly teach that qm theory itself teaches about consciousness and mind. It doesn't!!
  • "R Lovely, I gently look forward to a profoundly cohesive and holistic post-quantum physics unfolding from the next unfoldment of human awareness, in the 'blink of an infinite I'."

    May be such is what I see it too.

    Note that you can still introduce consciousness as to play a role in the 'collapse'. But now this needs a theory of mind, not just quantum mechanics. In other words, QM as it is do not, in any way speak about the mind. But quantum mind theory does.

    If you still want to say the 'collapse of wavefunction' is caused by mind, then such a mind will be the one that pervades everywhere in some way. A measuring device has some 'distorted' mind.

    We can identify 'soul' with some field that is due to quantum coherence. In other words decoherence does not completely cancel the whole-pervading wavefunction. The amplitude (square modulus, for those who know math.☺)of this wavefunction will equal density, not probability of finding a particle. So decoherence leaves an extreemly tenuous substance that pervades everywhere. We can identify this with 'mind'. Wigglings in this field influences where the particle collapse in.

    But note that this is different from the tree-in-the-forest. The latter says consciousness CREATES particles. The former says it MOVES them in some way. There is objective reality, the 'mind' itself being part of it. The field from our brain reaches the measuring device.

    Only via such an additional, theory of mind, might we relate quantum observation with awareness. Quantum theory alone does not!
  • San, that's a beautiful quote about the divine spark within, and letting it become a flame. I've seen auras since childhood...when the spark becomes a flame, the aura around someone glows brightly. It can be seen in people's fields (and was depicted as golden halos around spiritually-alight ones, human and angelic).... 💛

    R Lovely, I gently look forward to a profoundly cohesive and holistic post-quantum physics unfolding from the next unfoldment of human awareness, in the 'blink of an infinite I'.... 😉
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  • You can see then that the problem with the earlier theory is that it tried to 'explain' how a single wavefunction turns into a particle upon observation as if we can observe a single particle!!! To explain 'observation' correctly, though, we must use a multiparticle quantum system (we can only see a huge number if particles, not a single particle). In a multiparticle quantum system, the probability of finding one particle ceases to have any meaning. We reinterpret it as 'the density of particles emanating from a given point', rather than 'the probability of finding a particle at that point'. In other words Born's rule must be reinterpreted when dealing with numerous particles, such as those we can see. The original QM, though, tried to apply the Born's rule for a single particle in the context of 'observation' oblivious of the fact that we observe many, not one particle!!!

    Therefore the simplistic QM taught in introductory courses must be rejected when 'you grow up quantum-logically'.☺
  • Note that in my blog post I linked to below, I have touched on the correct way to understand 'observation' in modern QM.

    That understanding must always include 'Quantum Decoherence'. Any article that talks about quantum measurement without a mention of Quantum Decoherence is an ignorant article, you can savely reject it, if you want to seriously understand QM!

    The earlier QM theories of Heisenberg et-al did not contain quantum decoherence because they were theories of single particles. Measurement(hence observation), however must involve many, interacting particles as a measuring device must be a classic object as a human eye can only see a classic object.

    When a quantum wave goes near the measuring device, this wave can nolonger be described by a single Schrodinger Equation. It now mixes with gazillions of waves. This Decoheres the wave and makes it like a particle, which joins the other particles forming the clasic object and completely joins the clasic system. So you see that the wave does 'collapse' into a particle-like wave-packet as it joins the classic object. The classic object is, itself, an ensemble of such wave-packets. Since the decohered wave-packet is now like any other classic object, we can savely regard the wave function as to have 'collapsed'.
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  • Albertha,

    You are welcome☺ It is so nice to hear that😆
  • Indigenous, I feel that now. Everything comes from darkness. We need to embrace and balance darkness to defeat it. Everybody has this power
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DIDACTICS OF SELF-KNOWLEDGE-CHAPTER-VI-PART TWO


      

Q: Master, regarding the stillness of the Mind and a quiet Mind, what can you tell us?

 

M.: Well, naturally, we must distinguish between a Mind that is still and a Mind that is quiet, between a Mind that is silent and a…

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