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  Roaring Lovely June 17, 2021 at 5:28pm

  "Roaring Lovely, my point is you are arguing with yourself as nothing you attribute to me even remotely resembles my assertions. Assumptions are 99% wrong and your posts are nothing but assumptions."
  
  All you need to do is cut and paste an example of an 'assumption' I made and show why you think it is wrong. You like hiding in generalizations!!
  
  1..)all religions are wrong
  2. ) bible is wrong
  3.)all science is false
  4.)all governments are puppets
  
  The list is endless!!
  How simple!! Just figure out what category you think a claim belongs and you judge it based on the stereotype you have about that category!! Never mind showing one example of what is false in the bible and explain why!! Just make a general, bald assertion!
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  Ara June 17, 2021 at 5:24pm

  you insinuate it Roaring - that you know more, you are here to educate, etc.
  My world is my perception, your world is yours, both equally limited.
  Most discoveries, concepts, theories are born from imagination - which is ruled by memory owing to that, it is difficult to visualize something (imagination), that is entirely different from what you've seen before (memory). Its the information we equip our minds with, that will shape our memory and imagination. You can only imagine things from what you knew and you'll see the basic idea you get from the information. But when there is no knowledge (basic idea) in your memory when you've not inspired yourself with new concepts, tools, philosophies - trying to create something would become difficult if not impossible. God express himself through 3 manifestations - idea, word, act - that is basic creative force. And if your keep arguing about your limitations one day they will be yours. So Perception is that inner knowledge which doesn't require for any 'proof of existence' nor 'tree- in the - forest'.
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  Roaring Lovely June 17, 2021 at 5:20pm

  When someone describe someone often regarded as 'genius' as 'idiot', or someone widely regarded as 'competent' as a 'bozo', these are only humour!! Ironies are often funny, like when you describe what looks silly as, 'a strok of genius'.
  
  Hope I am now understood.
  
  Lets now talk of QM and stop character ssassinations.
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  Roaring Lovely June 17, 2021 at 5:15pm

  Ara,
  
  So you did not respond to any of my long explanations of QM, which I thought were more interesting, and only post long analysis of my character??? That is all what you like? Do you read my posts only to close exermine if I am arogant etc???
  
  No way!!! Don't assassinate my character on a comment wall. That is not what we are here for. When I describe bohr and Heisenberg etc as 'morons', of course this is only to serve humour by making the irony as this pple are often called 'geniuses'. These are irrelevant 'side kicks' in posts. I am surprised these are the only things you respond to, and ignore real Quantum mechanics, which to me is far more interesting!!!I
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  Roaring Lovely June 17, 2021 at 4:57pm

  

  Roaring Lovely June 16, 2021 at 4:26 am
  
  "The 'each person is leaving in his own world of perceptions ' is a typical example of 'tree-in-the-forest' reasoning.
  
  Did you just call most of us stupid?
  
  You yourself know nothing about qm, you just have theories, like everybody else.
  
  Come on Roaring, you would not even know that word if not for those before you, that you disregarded as being ‘not so good’ in that field your comment below somewhere. Arrogance is the most dangerous quality in any being. Unbelievable and there are too many ‘I’ in your sentences."
  
  'The more 'successfull quantum mechanics gets, the sillier it looks'
  
  Einstein
  
  'The method of renormalization is dippy'
  
  Feynman.
  
  Calling a dead theory 'stupid', 'silly', 'dippy' etc has nothing to do with calling any human being as such! Where did I say Ara et-al are stupid? Where did Einstein said Dirac et-al are 'silly', and where did Feynmann said Stuckenberg etc are 'dippy'??
  
  Don't try to make a theory unreproachable by personalizing an attack against it just because, may be, you like the theory! I often say the theory of eternal torment is moronic, and you don't object just because, maybe you don't like eternal torment idea!!
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  Ara June 17, 2021 at 4:32pm

  Hi Resty ... ;)) just fasten your seatbelt ;)) - the ride could be a bit bumpy, but you will always find support here.
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  marker dragon June 17, 2021 at 4:16pm

  Roaring Lovely, my point is you are arguing with yourself as nothing you attribute to me even remotely resembles my assertions. Assumptions are 99% wrong and your posts are nothing but assumptions.
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  Ara June 17, 2021 at 4:07pm

  

  Roaring Lovely June 16, 2021 at 4:26 am
  
  The 'each person is leaving in his own world of perceptions ' is a typical example of 'tree-in-the-forest' reasoning.
  
  Did you just call most of us stupid?
  
  You yourself know nothing about qm, you just have theories, like everybody else.
  
  Come on Roaring, you would not even know that word if not for those before you, that you disregarded as being ‘not so good’ in that field your comment below somewhere. Arrogance is the most dangerous quality in any being. Unbelievable and there are too many ‘I’ in your sentences.
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  Roaring Lovely June 17, 2021 at 4:49am

  

  Red Herring Fallacy
  
  THE LION: Qm does not teach that when you see an empty table, money comes out of thin air.
  THE HORSE: Describing QM with many words is applying a 3d model to 5d
  
  This fallacy is very rampant in this site!! The 'horse' doesn't object by giving an example of a QM teaching against what the 'lion' is suggesting. Instead, he switches the topic altogether. The 'lion' is forced to now talk about '5d' and '3d' in order to show that the 'horse's' claim is not relevant to what he said. This changes topic into 'what is 3d and what is 5d'.
  
  Note that switching topic is not necessarily a red herring fallacy. It is so only when it is meant to undermine what the person said!
  
  THE LION: abcd
  THE HORSE: efgh
  
  Therefore who cares about abcd!
  
  Meanwhile the whopper that abcd is trying to address is left out!! for the horse to argue that we should care about abcd despite efgh, he is forced to switch the topic to efgh hence making a simple thing appear more complex than it is!
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  Roaring Lovely June 17, 2021 at 4:26am

  

  "marker dragon June 16, 2021 at 8:34pm
  i never said qm teaches for example. of course it does not teach
  
  i have never even thought of an empty table
  
  you get the gist
  
  marker dragon June 16, 2021 at 8:31pm
  i have literally said none of that, you take spinning other peoples words to a new level. There is literally nothing to read between the lines with me. If i do not use an exact word, it has no part of my opinion"
  
  So what was your point? When I was trying to elucidate against this simplistic understanding of QM, you periodically intrude with irrelevant comments to divert attention. You don't dispute with me about the actual QM. Rather, if not about 'everybody is correct is 5 dimensions and as such no need to argue', you are saying 'describing QM voluminously is 3d model applied to 5D'.
  
  If you don't hold those ludicrous beliefs, why do you constantly harass me when I explain QM to debunk them? Why do you offer a red herring falacy after my posts? However, when someone links to nonsensical articles about QM that teaches that QM is like 'chinese thinking' where we don't think of anything other than what is appearing infront of you, you say nothing!!! Don't try to fool me! You hold those ridiculous notions about QM. I don't need to put them in the exact wordings because it is the same!
  
  When you say that in QM, everybody leaves in his own parralel universe where 'he is always correct', then you say the same error of the type 'tree-in-the-forest'. The 'tree-in-the-forest' is exactly of that type. It is a solipsism wherein everybody leaves in his parallel world of perceptions. If the only exist when you are seeing it ( or hearing it). Therefore each and everyone has his own tree in his own mind.
  
  The 'each person is leaving in his own world of perceptions ' is a typical example of 'tree-in-the-forest' reasoning. So yes, you hold these views about QM! You may deceive some pple here, but not me!!