A master is not: a psychotherapist is. The master is a hollow bamboo, a mere passage, for the divine to descend. He is not on his own. He has nothing to say, he has nothing to do – but much happens through him. It is always through him. He is not the doer of it. He is just a watcher. He allows it, he does not hinder it. He cooperates with it, but he is not the originator of it. He is just a vehicle.
The psychotherapist is. He is a doer, knowledgeable. He has all the expertise available. He is not a hollow bamboo. He is not an absence. Hence much cannot happen through him. He can only do a patchwork: here and there little polishing, a little whitewash, a little adjustment – that is all. His work is trivial. Man’s work is bound to remain trivial. Only God is great. Only that which comes from God is vast.
Man’s doing is bound to remain petty, small – of no significance in fact, or only of momentary importance. But when God descends, something of the eternal reaches into your being. The psychotherapist knows about the mind and the workings of the mind. But man in his deepest core is not a mind at all. That is the problem. Man’s disease, man’s illness, is not only that of mind – it is spiritual, it is metaphysical, it is existential.
The physiologist, the physician, can help you about the body; and the psychologist, the psychotherapist, can help you about the mind – but these are just your surfaces. You are not your surface: you are your depth. Neither the physician can touch that depth, nor can the therapist touch that depth. That depth can only be touched by a master – because he is that depth.
A master is a no-mind. That is the greatest difference that is possible. The psychotherapist knows about the mind, is a very cultivated mind, cultured, educated, efficient. Technologically he knows the know-how. The master is a no-mind. He knows no know-how. He makes his nothingness available to the student, but that nothingness is a healing force. The psychotherapist tries to heal, but never succeeds. The master never tries to heal, but always succeeds. His love is his therapy. Out of his absence flows his love. And that love is God’s love in fact.
When Jesus says again and again, I and my father are one, this is exactly what he is saying: Don’t think of me as myself. I only represent. I am just a symbol. I am just a door. Look through me and you will find the beyond. The master lives in a totally different reality. The psychotherapist lives in the same reality where you live. There is no qualitative difference between you and the psychotherapist; between the patient and the doctor there is no qualitative difference. The difference is that of knowledge, that of quantity. He knows more than you know, but he is not more than you are! He is exactly the same level. He is worried with the same anxieties. He is troubled by the same nightmares.
Sigmund Freud himself remained obsessed with the fear of death his whole life. How is he going to help? And he is the founder of psychoanalysis. How is he going to help? All his help can only be a pretension. He himself is trembling. He was so afraid of death that even to mention the word “death” was enough…and he would fall in a swoon. And it was not only so with him. Carl Gustav Jung was the same. He was so afraid of death that he could not see a dead body. He always wanted to go to Egypt to see ancient mummies. He was very interested in the occult, and certainly the pyramids of Egypt have great keys of occult knowledge, and those mummies are carrying some great messages to be deciphered and decoded.
He had become aware of it. He wanted to go, and many times he tried to go but he never managed to do so. He would fall ill. Whenever he arranged to go to Egypt, he would fall ill – just the idea of seeing the dead mummies, three thousand years old, was enough to shake him to the very roots. Slowly, slowly he became aware that whenever he made the arrangement he felt ill – that illness was psychological.
Once it happened: somehow, he dragged himself to the airport; even though he had a fever out of his fear, he went to the airport – but he could not manage to enter into the airplane. From the airport he rushed back home. He became so frightened that he dropped the whole idea forever, and he never went to Egypt to see those mummies. And he was very much interested in them.
Now, how are these people going to help? A master knows there is no death – not only knows through others but through his own experience. He has looked deep into his life, and death has disappeared like a fog – evaporated. A master is one who is absolutely free, not only from pathological psychology but free of psychology itself, free of mind. He has cut the very root of all pathologies. With the psychotherapist, your relationship is that of a patient and doctor. It is not intimate – it cannot be. It is professional. With the master your relationship is that of love; it is not professional. It is intimate.
From the book Osho, "The Perfect Master - Silence of the heart - Talks on sufi stories"
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Excuse me, but I didn't understand you? Please enlighten me, and I will tell you what I think.
Thank you Hopi, beautiful, thought provoking.... Blessings.....
... but, but ... if there is no 'me' then who is there/here? ... like who is typing right now for instance this silly words .... ;))
hmmmm...I do not know? I would say it is your invented self, your invented sense of "me". Because that which is real, is already there before mind starts to invent and think. And that is no "me" at all...That is what it is. That is ment when saying "there is no self, no other"...When I look at you, I look at atoms and empty space..but what is it within me that is actually percieving you as a body, that would be my mind. Drop the mind and all I see is just a shape...no definition...no label.
if we have time which is like a glue that hold everything together, then perhaps we do need definition of things ... if our 'mind' can't relate to this existence ... then there wouldn't be any experiences at all to understand, meditate, contemplate ... be aware of 'possibilities'?
I think zen is better “ - If there is no self, whose arthritis is this? - kind of funny ... but good question.
But I also see time as an idea of the mind. I cannot tell the difference between 10 minuts ago and right now. Time is measured based on an object (earth) moving around another object (sun). What If I stand on the sun..what is time than? All of this will eventually lead us astray, one question leads to another, it is bound to become speculative and abstract philosophy. What Can I actually experience right now, without any use of tought/mind? I can experience what ever is in the moment..without actually thinking about it..it willl be natural. If we perhaps need or not need definitions I do not know...But I know that what I truly am, cannot be defined in anyway and what ever my mind defines it will not be anything near truth, it will be the exact opposite..It is bigger than this world and its limited understanding and its need to hold on to ideas. Our current situation is only temporarily, what you say may be true, but it is only true (or needed) within this world, It is not a fact for the entire universe..The universe is to vast ..:)
Frequency is the number of occurrences event per unit time – so to me time is holds everything, it’s not a mind thing it’s Universal things just like gravity … ;)) Also to let go of my mind I would need to know my mind … which is difficult to say that I do based on 5% of it …. so why would I want to let go when I haven’t fully discover what it is and if you think without it Osho wouldn’t be able to bring awareness about ‘there is no self, no other’ … i would also say that time, gravity, space and mind kind of related ... me just thinking out loud … lol …
"Frequency is the number of occurrences event per unit time – so to me time is holds everything, it’s not a mind thing it’s Universal things just like gravity … ;)"
We dont know what gravity really is? I can feel gravity in my body (the heavyness in me) but what is it really? If we know only 4% of the universe, than we dont know what "universal things" are or can be, maybe only to a very small extent, like only 4%? I can understand that to you it is that. But to someone else it is something else.. Our 5% mind dont have the capacity to percieve it all at once..so it gets split up into past, present and future..which must create the illusion of time and space etc..What do you mean by per unit time? If something is true, than we all would definatly know it, ultimat truth cannot be not recognized, it is ultimat truth. So if we are thinking differently than it is not any truth to it..it cannot be...How can it? truth is not many, it is one..There for we need to let go of it..it is not serving any good..
"Also to let go of my mind I would need to know my mind … which is difficult to say that I do based on 5% of it …. so why would I want to let go when I haven’t fully discover what it is?" (I would take that as a question?:)
Why would you need to know it to let it go? Is there someone standing over you with a gun to your head telling you to do so? :) What ever we have discovered with our 5% minds up until now cannot be truth, because we haven't had the capacity to get the full truth...the upgrade will happen on itself, when it is ready (not when you feel ready) it will reveal itself to you..This is not up to you..The person you are feeling to be is not in any way in control of anything :) It is just a fraction of what you are.. You can only be thirsty for it and wait...On the question that why you would do it, when you dont know it? Why would you know it? The mind is essentially unknowable...it is unlimited in depth and volume..It would take you forever..you will never achieve to know 100% of your mind in this one lifetime..Therefor, it would be better to just let it go..? It is not real..it is always changing..truth never changes..it cannot change..truth is constant..
"and if you think without it Osho wouldn’t be able to bring awareness about ‘there is no self, no other’ … i would also say that time, gravity, space and mind kind of related ..."
You are right. In my "there is only one way" discussion, I wrote that there is unlimited ways within that one way..The way Osho uses the mind to bring awareness about the subject, is by using one of those unlimited ways within that one way :) It is a fine border line/a thin red line only he (or the speaker, whoever that is) can see, and he keeps within that...Within that one spesific funnel within that one way, what ever he goes on to do will be of refined information about truth..it will be 98% correct, because the settings of the mind are adjusted correctly. How it gets adjusted correctly is a part of that, its not within your controle, it decides, not you, (why did Osho be Osho and not Muhammed Ali?) you are only a vessel no matter if you like it or not..(we have our ways of clinging to a sense of self, thinking that it can always be me and the universe. But when you are the universe, there is no sense of me left)....
"me just thinking out loud … lol …"
Its funny How I can read your thoughts :) :) :)
When you have defined something, than you have defined it. You will not allow for anything else...Than much cannot happen ...:)