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What is going on?

Just because I have been away doesn't mean you can tear this place up heh he, what I am referring to is behaviour that has transpired in some post's.
No need to get into who or why, coz that is really not the issue...coz if it was, then that, in it self, could be considered censorship....agree?

And, I am not so much for ehh, playing nice so to speak, so, nothing wrong with flaming other's he he, but, I see lot's of folk's who forment their...eh...damn it, I am in loss for the right word, so I'll just use a label for the heck of it, so dont take it too seriously. So, I'll use the word "hate", perhaps not in it's dictionary sense but more as in a "grudge" kinda way. I see lot's of folk's who forment their hate and get attached to it. Can you go from total disagreement on one topic to treat your brother or sister as sibling in another, or does the "disagreement" follow you into whatever situation?

And here we are, what is what if I may ask?
Do you know?

Well, I like to think of A.C as a place for everyone, where everyone get's to xpress themselves without the fear of being run out of Dodge. That is my most important concern. Despite all the well meaning's of everyone, if a climate where a small section of member's get to outline what is permissable or not, then the idea of A.C has lost all it's meaning for me.
Coz it will inhibit those who are not so vocal to speak about "their stuff" in fear of being slaughtered by wannabe's. Don't worry, we're all wannabe's destined to become so don't get ahead of yourelves...you might hurt yourself he he, but I joined a long time ago because it was a virtual sandbox where everyone was allowed to xpress themselves, their hopes, their dreams, their truth's etc.

Of course, there are no means to messure what has not been posted, but I feel there's alot of silent member's out there who have not dared to speak out, and there can certainly be many different reasons for that. I am not, or at least I am trying not to blame anyone, so read this as a reminder of how we could best help eachother....coz that's what it is all about...isn't it?

Anyway, those of you who think you know more than the average, you should know how much....and how little there is to creation. And the infinite number of options, opinions and point of view's. So you've got "yours"...and I say fantastic. From thereon divinity shines (or is less shining) from the way you share, xplore and play with yourself (a divine joke, all pun's intended).


I should like to think that the ones who claim's to be "working for the light" actually had a better understanding.....or should I say be more enlightened?

So what's the deal?

As I said, this is supposed to be a place for everyone, and if you see something you disagree woth that is fine....and you should disagree. But is there a fine line in our way of xpressing ourselves where being critical or disagreeing slides into the term harassing?

As Robby said in one post, which you probably have said yourselves...and which I have said....we all have our path's to follow.
Even if your path diverges from that of another one, does it make you right to taunt those who is on another path?
Think about it!
What xactly is "your right"?


And if you in your kindness would like to "guide" someone who you deem to be lost, what way would be the best....to scorn them or to kindly show them their errors/faults?
But what if someone doesn't give a s*** about what you have to say or your truth....how much does it anger you...it really p***** you off right, even if the clische "I dont care" crosses your lips..or in this case, the keyboard heh he hee he, oh. we're so full of ourselves :D

But hey, let us not get too sirius, it is supposed to be fun, so let me throw in another clische : in a metaphorical way, one could ask, do you beat knowledge into your kids or do you teach them through practice? And in which category would you asume that the kids would be more receptive...in a good manner? Ha ha ha ha, now that was funny as hell wasn't it? ;)

But listen, we got all kinda crap here on A.C, from my jibberish to yours, planet X and Jesus, we also have eastern schools of thought represented here...and a whole lot more, take your pick. And I like it this way.
I like to think of it in this way, it is like a tressure chest and everyone get's to pick whatever they want or need...there's enough for everyone.

In the same way, it is noone's right to flame anyone because they chose the rubies instead of the diamond's you chose. And when I say flame I mean harass, innocent flaming and disagreements are tool's for us to learn from. I know, we like to think of ourselves as the pinnacle of truth...right?
But in all fairness, we're all just good 'ol plain stupid...well...not me of course he he he I am always right :)

And now for the xiting stuff.....da rules! lol

#2 say's "Disruption: Repeating a behavior that is clearly interfering with other members’ use of the forums is not allowed. "

From #4 we xtract "posting insulting comments is not allowed." and "Personal attacks, harassing, offensive, vulgar, abusive, hateful or bashing comments "

and #6 say's it all "Treat others as you'd like to be treated yourself "

And in the end, perhaps #9 "Forgiveness is the greatest power in the universe" is suitable for a continium and the end answer.

It is amusing and disturbing at the same time, to see how many selfprofessed "enlightened" people fall into the same trap over and over again. Reciting old but well known thought's of wisdom is a no-problemo, anyone can do that. And they are completly useless unless they are put into practise. Your deed's are the indicator of "how far you've come"....and not what you think or write.

On the other hand, perhaps it is also necessary to do what we do...y'know, in order to learn, from our xperiences....and that is precisely why I think a good cat-fight about ideas/truth's are healthy every now and then.

And I wonder how many get's into the fight to win an argument?
I used to, but I quickly found out that the internet is full of troll's and then we have the ones who twist everything out of context so I quickly found out that this was not me. I never felt the need to destroy anouther so that I could bask in in the glory of their demise.

To me it provides many thing's, one is to "test" my own truths, and it also provides opportunity to learn or xplore avenue's we might not have thought of, it may clarify something....and lastly, it may help me help other's. But I never xpect to win. In light of oneness...isn't it like winning over oneself he he..or loosing to oneself?

Well, it doesn't matter, all in all, everything I do I do for the sake of hopefully learning something. Sometimes, our path has lead us to a point where we find ourselves comfertable, and we think we know it all he he, OK, perhaps a small overstatement, but none the less, we are comfertable where we are at the moment.

And when you've found your little patch of truth on the mountain of truth, it is all so easy to start throwing rock's on the climber's that are below you only because you have a better overview. But I dunno, it is an temptation heh he, but, if we could remind ourselves that each rock we throw or kick we do onto ourselves. We are suppsoed to help eachother, and if you see someone clibing a completly different route than you, but you think you have a better view from your place....well...you dont throw rock's at them, you try to help by telling them where they should climb....is that guidance?
And it may be healthfull to remind ourselves that none of us are at the top yet, we're all scattered all across the mountain wall, both in vertical and horizontal directions.

And I may have digressed, and I dont like to be a A.C police...which I am not either, consider this a reminder since I love you guy's...a friendly reminder he he, and I was reminded by a quote from the bible (I'm just stealing quotes I am not endorsing the bible or religions) that pretty much cover's what I have tried to say:

""A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.""

Now at the end of this post, you might ask yourself "what was I supposed to learn from this long-ass post"? Hopefully nothing, just a reminder to be nice and be civilized!

Now to the fun part, you get to flame me, blame me, slain me...or tame me, what do you think?

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You're welcome, Be Blessed Cozy....and Be Good

Pasiel
Heh he he
Thank you Brother Joseph, it is a good thing that we can at least agree on some things :)

Be Blessed Bro...and Be Good
Pasiel
tin-man.. have you no heart?

my impression of what you have expressed, can be summed up with a familiar saying.. you've prolly heard it a hundred times. "if you have nothing nice to say, then don't say anything at all"

calling pasiel's rant boring is not constructive at all..

If you want to perpetuate separation, then go push a kid off a swing set, then wait till he outgrows you and beats you half to death with your walkin cane.

paisel was right.. things often get out of hand, and we need to stop and think for a minute.. "how are our contributions any different from the ones we deal with in the real world from our sleepy headed friends and family?"

really, this post is pointless.. I just thought you could have chosen better words to state your position.
I think you have misunderstood, it is not about criticism, it is not about arguing and it is not about disagreeing.

And let us hope that noone is going to hit you with a stick ;)
"The best thing to do is be strong when others are weak and hope someone is strong for us when we are weak."

Well said!
That is what it is about, not who's truth is the biggest. In the end, we're all in the same boat.

Pasiel
Bless you Tin-Sky

Depending on what your definitions are, then yes, disrespect is not something I appreciate, on the other hand one could say that some may have earned the disrespect. But since we are supposed to be adults...or at least pretend to be adults, and if we spice it up with some higher vibrations/love/understanding/unconditional love/kindness/etc then I am sure there is the potential that we could also see through some of the illusions, among them the act of disrespect.

And I do agree, s*** will happen, but when it does, is it your opinion that everyone jump into the shitpool and swim with the fishes or...should we try and dissolve the situation?

I am not sure if you know what I was talking about when I wrote about disrespect, but I was not talking about disagreements, not about arguing or any of that. And secondly, this post wasn't written because of 1 incident, it was my reaction after returning to the mothership, catching up on the forums and what I witnessed was....well...a whole lotta disrespect that was not going anywhere.

Now, that wasn't the first time as you pointed out, and it surely wont be the last either. So I took it upon myself to commit an unbelivable act of selfishness and evil, completly unforgiavable...in writing this little internet forum post. Not to point fingers, not to judge (although I just did he he) but to remind whomever read this long-ass post to behave. There are more important things in life than winning a internet argument :D

And I am truly sorry to have bored you, that wasn't my intention, I hope you can forgive me....in due time of course.

Be Blessed Tin...and Be Good
Pasiel
Things happen not perchance nor circumstance,things happen the way things are suppose to happen, so they say,maybe things are not suppose to happen ,whos to say? Either way things are gonna happen and when they do,we are all gonna throw out our perception and interpretation of how and why things are happening,you are right I am wrong,I am right you are wrong,but still things are gonna happen whether we agree or dissagree.His way,Her way,My way,Your way,anyway is evryway, their way is not our way,lets throwem all away! Either way ,they all come from the ONE WAY who sent them all on thier way.Sorry if I got in your way, but thats the way It was suppose to happen or way not to happen, but the way still happens anyway.So dont blame me if I got in your way and you got in My way,Things just happen along the WAY!
There's a reason for everything, let us recognize and understand the reasons and learn from them, if we choose to neglect we will just be presented with a new opportunity to do so later on down the road.
Since I am new and happily finding out about this marvelous site, I agree about the discord between any one. In science and philosophy, there is rampant disagreement but cordial and a learning process happens when two brilliant people have different paradigm shifts. Although they could both be right, it is irrelevant. It only matters that what you believe can be substantiated. For my dos centavos. I am just here to learn, and I would rather not have emotions enter into the mix. It is distracting from what we are doing. And that is to be proactive and futuristic, Arguing amongst genius strategy is a waste of all of our times. So disagree, but sweetly with minds open and hearts open. Perhaps your bully pulpit is keeping you from learning something that is of so much importance not only to you but all of us. So that is my dos centavos. Thank you for letting me be involved and say my peace. I am very grateful.and Pasiel, you are brilliant. Namaste, Miguel

Emotions are good, emotions is an intricate part of any xperience.
You are brilliant Miguel, and thank you for adding your insights. And I agree, a clash of minds usually birth new greatness although most of the time, the fruits may not be so apparent at first. As to the bully pulpit, yea, that notion of it potentially acting as a break is absolutly there, and that is one of the reasons I wrote this post.

And I'll repeat some of it (oh no Pasiel....pleas don't he he he), this is an venue for all of us to xpress our beliefs, hope's, dreams...and even fear's and everything else you can imagine. This because it is important for the consciousness to be able to xpress itself in order to grow and learn. In real life, it may not be so easy to talk about "these things" but Ben-A has done a marvelous job and deed in providing this place for all of us to play.

He has also done an outstanding job of not policing us and so far to a great xtent we all have the same responsibility to act in a way that doesn't xclude anyone....regardless of faith, s** or creed.
By all means, argue until the spasm set's in, but treat oneanother with respect even if you dont agree on issues...and that's about it :)

Be Blessed Miguel...and Be Good
Pasiel

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