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  • Understanding such is puzzling because in the event of a clash between NATO and Russia, those countries bordering Russia will be the battle ground trampled on. It is a great irresponsibility and non-strategy to choose sides when you are on the buffer. Take Iraq, and Jordan for instance. Of course they prevent Iran and Israel (the arch enemies) from fighting. But things will change if military alliances are built eg a Jordan(or Syria)-Iraq-Iran NATO -like mounster. It effectively brings two otherwise too distant enemies close to each other, hence making a war more likely! But middle easterners seem more prudent in this issue, as indicated when Iraq helps to deescalate US-Iran tensions following the renewed Iranian sanctions. Iraq can maintain a good relationship with Iran etc without necessarily forming a military alliance with it.
  • This nuclear potential for escalation, virually written into NATO's absurd rules, means that they cannot be taken as sane....As you say, throughout history, minor border frictions did happen in Europe....It did not and should not always lead to a major war...Of course, it did with the Serbian/Austrian dispute and the German attack on Poland, but it need not...

    Personally I observe the main paranoia and Russophobia coming from the former eastern block nations, who always fear Russia re-establishing control over them...The west uses these national phobias, to keep strategic control...Like British and American influence over the Baltic, military assets stationed in the Baltic states. Both UK and US station troops in the formerly east block nations. Poland, Romania, and several nations of that type..And now we see Finland and Sweden going down this track....It's absurd...

    Of course, the GFL will not allow either side to destroy this planet, with nuclear...
  • What else? Britain etc does not share any boundary with Russia, and so the original Aim of NATO was a more reasonable deterrence with the immense power projection capabilities of USSR in mind, not mere traditional wars where neighbours often are the ones that clash. This was even further enhanced by the advent of Intercontinental Balistic Missiles (IBMs) and the now feard threat of a Nuclear exchange using these IBMs. So it was never about deterrence of the traditional 'boundary wars' at all. These latter wars are best done via bilateral mutual deterrence whereby armies became naturary weaker the more they advance into the territory of the adjacent country. No need for any multilateral arrangement!! Israel, with full support from US and some support from Russia, etc, for instance, is far more powerfull than the mere non-state actor, increasingly sanctioned Hezbollah, and yet the latter group can significantly deter Israel from attacking Lebanon.

    So it was good when NATO members don't share any border with Russia, as mere skirmishes that might necessary occur on the border, such as those between Hezbollah and Israel, only risk being a full blown war between NATO and Russia. Why should an attack on one country automatically lead to a world war, and a potential annihilation of civilization? This is unreasonable! Countries have clashed on borders throughout history. It is unrealistic to aim at a world where there are no clashes on the borders, because any such, would lead to a full blown nuclear war!
  • Roaring said: "The cheapest way to avoid war with Russia is just to maintain a good relationship with Russia. No need to join NATO! All these countries near Russia are not in NATO: Iran, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, China, North/south Korea, Japan, Israel, Lebanon, Belarus, Georgia, Afghanistan etc. They are not and they will never be in NATO. How then can they try to convince you that suddenly, if you just to the west, Russia will eat you up unless you are in NATO?"

    Drekx response: Yes I really wish that my country, the UK, could stop this hatred of Russia...If I were a British PM, relations with Russia would be very peaceful and trade would flow, without any fuss....I'm something of a Russophile and frankly, can understand Russian foreign policy logic, far more easily, than the so called "western block's" foreign policies...
    The real reasons for all this nonsense, stem from Russia being disobedient towards the western central banking system...Globalism is not happy with such nations...
    Russia demands payments in Roubles (understanderbly) and pegs their currency to gold....A direct threat to the US dollar, reserve currency status...lol
  • Whenever I hear this song I think about doing sports. Sport is kind of like self-destruction. However, with a rather positive side effect.
    https://youtu.be/o7x0Kz90Hrk
  • It burdens American tax payer and demeans a European! Essentially, it says unless Europe is constantly threatened with an external enemy, then it cannot stay together in peace'. Include Russia in the 'peace map', so that there is no 'external enemy' any more, and Europe will revert to its ww1, ww2 or even colonialistic history. 'That is their nature', the NATO says, 'and so it is the responsibility of the American tax payer to force peace in that irresponsible place called 'Europe'!
  • Even with that, Ukraine could simply agree to put the 'no joining NATO' in its constitution with the condition that Russia put 'no attacking Ukraine' into its constitution too, and the war ends! It is very simple, and that is why I said history will judge Europe! What complicates it is this NATO monster that needs its as$ kissed by Europeans as 'the only condition for peace in Europe'.😆
  • The cheapest way to avoid war with Russia is just to maintain a good relationship with Russia. No need to join NATO! All these countries near Russia are not in NATO: Iran, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, China, North/south Korea, Japan, Israel, Lebanon, Belarus, Georgia, Afghanistan etc. They are not and they will never be in NATO. How then can they try to convince you that suddenly, if you just to the west, Russia will eat you up unless you are in NATO?

    NATO is useless , dangerous, needlessly expensive way of trying to avoid war with Russia!
  • The good thing is that anyone can stear this wall☺
  • FAO that large and welcome tranche of new ACC members who arrived, recently....Don't mind us chatting politix, it's just our passionate banter....We love to chat about current events...On this thread we chat about just about anything and everything, so don't mind if we deviate from the metaphysical material....We love it all....and all is spirit...shining light on dark corners...

    BTW...another thing we do on this thread, is we will sometimes post a nice music vid, to set a mood, sharing our feelings and thoughts, freely....Feel free to place your own music, or ideas, thoughts, here...We do enjoy such community shares....It makes for a good party...😄

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79TuI7qhwjs
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