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  • "Jude 14
    New King James Version
    14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints"

    This is a quote from Enoch 1:9 shows that the early bible had this book!

    Also this verse doesn't make sense in the usual bible:

    "Jude 6
    New King James Version
    6 And the angels who did not keep their
    [a]proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;"

    But is is stated several times in Enoch, eg Enoch 10:14

    Also:

    "2 Peter 2:4
    New King James Version
    Doom of False Teachers
    4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to
    [a]hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;"
  • Psalm 112:4
    New King James Version
    4 Unto the upright there arises light in the darkness;
  • We all have different lights but they shine just as brightly for different purposes
  • Blessings back
  • Our will cannot be in conflict with will of God. We cannot even understand the things important enough for him to will in this density. God looks at our biggest issues as he would his 3 year old confused in nursery school
  • I want to repeat. The answers are not on the earth. The answers are all inside of us.
  • Yes, I was comming here to add just that, Amparo! This is amazing! Our will is not necessarily in conflict with the will of God!
  • God could have created a bible that 'jumps up' every time you try to touch it, or which rewrites itself every time you try to alter it! This would not any more 'interfere with our free will' than a magnet rotating back on another magnet when you rotate it interferes with our free will!! So God's intervention is not necessarily in conflict with our free will. Yes, creation is already an 'intervention' of some kind!

    So the statement that 'God does not interfere with our free will' does not answer the question 'why didn't God protect his word from malicious men'. The only answer is that there was never such 'word of God'. It was all words of men, even if they were written by Mark, Mathew, John or even Jesus himself, even if it has never been altered!
  • "..All I can say it that God granted us all free will and He won't interfere in our choices whether they seem wrong or not..."

    Like I said, 'interference of God' comes just as a limitation of what we achieve free willingly. You cannot put off the sun even if you are willing to do such. Likewise if it has reached your time to die, you can't resist. God may or may not be intervening. We can't know such. To say what God cannot or won't do is is like to say God is bound by the very universe he created!!
  • Thanks for initiating this great discussion, Amparo. There is a lot to learn and duscuss about the origins of bible, Christianity, their authenticity etc.

    The 'what' is all that matter to me. I can simply check ludicrous teachings in the bible, e.g 'blaming all innocent men for the sin of one man and then punishing one blameless man for the guilt of the many'.

    It doesn't matter whether an Aksumite, Constantine or a fisherman in Galilee said this, yes or even if Jesus or Angels or ETs said such. It only matters that it is ludicrous, and an intelligent being, such as the one who made the sun, cannot have possibly concocted such! (And I am happy we agree with marker dragon on this and many others which are far more important.☺). Ergo I don't care if bible was concocted by guys in Galilee, or even by Jesus himself the way he was!
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