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March 18, 2012
Graham Dewyea's interview With Bob Dean:::
This is one of the few recent interviews with a person of undoubted stature
and reliability describing trips aboard the ships and to a distant planet.
For those who still don't believe that the ships are out there, or that other worlds exist.
It turns out Bob has had many encounters with extraterrestrials over
the years. It shouldn't be assumed that all of them were from the same
group, had the same purposes, etc. Over the years there have been
many different kinds of extraterrestrials here, not all of them with
our welfare in mind, although those who don't have the welfare of
terrestrials at heart are no longer permitted to approach the Earth as
we near Ascension. And Bob names the coalition who prevents it (no
surprise here): The Galactic Federation.
Bob says some are human, some are not human, some are humanoid. Let's
clarify this point. To be human means to replicate the Adam/Eve Kadmon
template - bilaterally symmetrical, upright, stereoscopic vision,
arms, legs, etc. But one can reach the human stage of evolution by
many lines - mammalian like us, reptilian, insect, even plant. My
understanding is that only mammalian humans are allowed near the Earth
at this time. So for instance the negative little greys and Reptilians
are generally not to be found around the planet any more.
Bob furnishes us with descriptions of library computer/books that I
have heard described except in afterlife accounts of the Astral Planes
(see for instance
descriptions of the cities and surrounding countryside also resemble
descriptions on the Astral Planes so he may have been visiting a
Fourth-Dimensional ET city. That becomes more likely when we consider
that he did not discuss needing any special preparation, as he would
if he had gone, say, to a Fifth-Dimensional setting or higher.
Originally I was under the impression that Bob had visited the ETs
this past Oct. (2011), but here he says his six-week visit took place
nine years ago, in 2003. However here he explains that he was on the
ships and in the hospital for the same period of time - six weeks.
Perhaps that's where the confusion crept in. Recently he had a
near-death experience in which he was told it wasn't his time and that
he needed to start talking about his experiences with ETs.
Bob says that one of the galactic beings he met looked older but
showed no signs of ageing. Advanced civilizations can choose the age
they wish to manifest at and some may choose to manifest an older age,
but that doesn't necessarily mean they are older than others; it's a
matter of choice and may be felt appropriate if one is, say, a leader
or a statesman/woman.
On the 2003 trip, the galactics showed Bob a vision of the
post-Ascension Golden Age and left Bob knowing that we're going to
make it. Again that's good evidence for those who are still wondering
and doubting. Besides testifying to the reality of Ascension, Bob left
us with two other teachings which he regards as important: one, that
there is no death; that is, that all of us are already immortal. This
follows from and is upheld by any study of the afterlife. And, two,
that love powers the universe. Altogether blockbuster testimony from
Hello, and welcome to Our Galactic Family. I’m Graham Dewyea.
My guest today is Robert Dean. Mr. Dean is a retired US Army Command
Sergeant Major, serving 28 years in the military, and trained as an
intelligence analyst. He is an expert UFOlogist and has worked
globally to raise awareness about extraterrestrials, UFOs and the
government’s cover up of the extraterrestrial presence and beings from
other worlds. He has studied extensively the fields of archaeology,
theology, ancient history, psychology and philosophy.
Welcome to the show. Great to have you.
Robert Dean: Thank you, Graham. It’s my pleasure.
GD: There are so many areas that we could cover in today’s show, and
there are many internet videos of you giving presentations at
conferences, on documentaries. You’ve done a tremendous amount of
interviews, all about the presence of UFOs and the cover-up of
extraterrestrials. What I was hoping to focus on today was your
personal experience with extraterrestrials, to help us better
understand who they are, why they’re here, and how they’re here to
In a recent interview you did with Kerry Cassidy, last February, with
your friend Clifford Stone, there was a point during the interview
where you briefly mentioned that you’d been aboard a ship and you were
shown what the future Earth would look like. And I’m particularly
interested in hearing more about that and about your personal
experiences with extraterrestrials.
Many of the people that will be listening to the show do know who you
are, but for those who are just getting to know you, could you tell us
a little bit about how you became involved in this field?
BD: Oh, my God. How much time do we have? Graham, I got into this
whole thing...I kind of walked in through the back door, as it were. I
was given a special assignment in 1963 – I was in the military. I
applied for and received a special assignment to Supreme Headquarters
Allied Powers in Europe, at that time was located just outside of
Paris. It was a choice assignment, and you really had to – you really
had to apply for it, and it was a select assignment.
I was able to take my wife and my kids off to Paris, France, my kids
went to high school in Paris, and I was in Paris – outside of Paris,
at least – for about five years. But when I got there, in 1963, I was
introduced to a study that was underway. It seems that world War Three
had almost been triggered half a dozen times by strange metallic,
circular objects flying in formation all over Europe.
And in those days, you know, Europe was divided right down the middle.
There was the Warsaw Pact and the Communist powers in the East, and
then there was the NATO powers in the West. And Germany was divided
right down the middle. And everybody was armed to the teeth, and these
objects were flying all over the damned place, in formation, at a high
altitude, obviously under intelligent control.
We found the Soviets thought they belonged to us, and for a short time
we thought they might actually belong to the Soviets. But with the
repeated demonstration of advanced technology that they showed us, it
became very clear after a while that neither we or the Soviets had
that kind of capability.
So, this study was underway when I got there in '63, and they finished
it, published it in '64. And it was my introduction to the reality of
the extraterrestrial presence. I got into the study—I had a cosmic,
top secret clearance at the time, Graham; it was and still is the
highest level of classification, security clearance in NATO—and I had
access to the document when they published it in '64, and I was never
able to put it down or walk away from it.
And that was my introduction to the reality of the extraterrestrial
presence. And I haven’t been able to walk away from it since.
GD: And you’ve been doing a lot of work over the years, for sure. Now,
we can jump right into it. I understand you’ve had face-to-face
contacts with extraterrestrials.
BD: Yeah, I’ve had many face-to-face contacts over the years, and that
took me a while to get used to, by the way. I didn’t know whether I
was dreaming. Sometimes, they’d take me out of my bed in the middle of
the night, and I’d end up being aboard their ships. I’ve been on some
of their ships at least a half a dozen times that I remember vividly,
probably more times than that, and I’ve had face-to-face meetings with
them at conferences, Graham. I’ve had them come up to me in
conferences during breaks and introduce themselves, for god’s sakes!
And they look pretty much just like us, you know. You know, humans are
kind of interesting creatures. We follow a pattern, but we’re all
distinctly unique in one way or another, and these guys are pretty
much the same. They’re humanoid, they look like humans, but you look
them in the eye, and you notice, you know they’re not human. There’s
an intensity...when you look in the eyes, there’s an intensity and a
depth, when you look into their eyes, where you know these guys are
not Joe Smith just down the street. They are different. They are
GD: And when you say you’ve gone up into their ships, is that
physically, astrally? Both?
BD: Well, I’ve been on several of their ships for physical
examinations. They grab me once in a while and take me aboard, and
they run me through a physical exam. They put you on a table, and
you’re stark-ass naked, and they lay you on a table and give you a
thorough examination. Generally speaking, there’s about 10 or 15 or 20
other humans around, and they’re all going through the same process.
But I’ve been on their ships several times, Graham, and I’ve gotten to
a point where I’ve got kind of a relationship with some of those guys.
GD: And this is with your consent?
BD: I, you know, I’ve never felt that I’ve been abducted in that
sense. You know, a lot of you remember Whitley Streiber and his
stories about he was forcibly abducted? And the poor guy was
traumatized. I know Whitley, he’s a friend of mine. And I’ve read most
of his books. And I saw Whitley just this last February, here in
Phoenix, at the world conference. And he is still traumatized, by what
happened to him years ago when he was writing the book Communion.
So, a lot of people find this kind of exchange and this
inter-relationship with them very, very traumatic. But, you know,
Graham, I’ve never felt that I was forcibly abducted. I’ve always felt
like I was invited! And I was always voluntarily, you know, “Hell, I’m
going for it! Show me something. I’d like to learn something new!”
GD: And what have you learned when you’ve gone on the ships? Have you
been able to see them? Have you been able to get a sense of their size
BD: Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, by all means. The ones on board the ships that
I’ve encountered are rather tall and rather thin. They’re not skinny
by any means, but they’re trim. And the guys that were giving me the
medical examination are generally well over six feet tall, and rather
trim. And they’re humanoid. They look pretty much like we do, except
that I’d say they’re taller than we are.
But when you look into their eyes, that’s when you know that they’re not human.
Maybe they’re human, but they’re more than human, Graham.
GD: What do you mean by that?
BD: Well, they strike me as being us maybe 100,000 years in the
future. They’re us essentially, but there’s more to it than that. They
have a depth, they have an understanding, they have an intensity, and
when they look into your eyes, they look like they’re reading you. You
know, they don’t have to communicate with words as we do here. They
seem to be able to communicate quite efficiently with thought.
And there are times that they’ve communicated with me and their lips
were not moving. And that took me some getting used to, I can tell
GD: And how would you communicate back to them?
BD: It’s a telepathic form of communication. And that seems to be a
standard process for them. You know it. You know exactly what they’re
GD: And that’s how you would communicate with them?
BD: Well, when I was with them—they took me away for six weeks; that
really is what blew me away—but I was just a nutcase. I was going
crazy. Man, I had more questions than you can imagine. I was just
jabbering away and asking questions here and there and everything.
Because I wanted to know, where the hell was I? I never did know where
I was, Graham. I don’t think I was aboard a ship. I’ve been aboard
ships, and some of their ships are absolutely gigantic. I mean,
they’re gigantic. They’re several miles across.
But this particular case, when they had me for six weeks, I didn’t
feel I was aboard a ship. Now, I could have been. But the sun was
warm, the grass was green, the water in the little streams in the
gardens was cold and clear, and there were flowers all over the place,
and it was like a big, beautiful park. And I thought I was in a small
city. And I asked them repeatedly, “Where the hell am I? Where are
And I never really got an answer. Only once did one of the females
apparently take pity on me because I’d been jabbering away and asking
this question again and again. She says, “This is Milena.”
Now, Graham, I have no idea what the hell that meant. She said to me,
she said, “This is Milena.” Now, whether that was a city, whether that
was a planet, I don’t know. I didn’t feel that I was aboard a ship,
because the sun was warm, and the wind was blowing, and it was like a
lovely afternoon in the park.
It was a small city.
GD: Would you say it looked a lot like something you might experience
here on Earth?
BD: Oh, my God, yes! You know, you go into a little rural area outside
of most of the big cities and you find these little subdivisions where
there are gardens and parks and streets and sidewalks, and libraries,
and one thing or another. It struck me as like it was a small city.
But I never did see anything in the way of vehicles. They certainly
don’t use automobiles. Everybody seemed to be walking. And I never saw
a building that was more than two or three stories high at the most.
But the things that impressed me the most where I was, Graham, I guess
it was a school, the auditorium, the lecture halls and the libraries.
I was more overwhelmed by those than I think anything else that I’d
GD: Why is that?
BD: Well, the lecture halls, it’s obvious that, you know, they took me
into one lecture hall, which I’d swear I’d been there before. I had a
sense of familiarity with the place. And it was one of those...well,
what is it? The Greek and Roman amphitheatre, forum? You go in on the
ground floor and then it goes down about two levels, in an
amphitheatre kind of a classroom? With a stage down at the bottom?
And I’d been there before, but I couldn’t remember just exactly when.
Then the library, that was the thing that really blew me away. The
library was one of the most extensive libraries I’ve ever been into,
but it was almost entirely electronic.
There weren’t that many books. Most of it was, apparently, on
computers. Now, that was impressive.
They pulled up a couple of things for me, and showed me a few things.
Because, man, I was just a nutcase. I was just jabbering away and
asking questions like crazy.
GD: What was the computer like?
BD: Well, they asked me one time, they said, “You seem to be a student
of history. Is that correct?” I said, “Yes, I’ve always been
fascinated by human history.” You know, it was one of my majors when I
was in college years ago. And they said, “Well, what type of history
are you interested in?” And I says, “Well, there’s one thing that I’ve
always wanted to know more about, and that’s about a young man, a
young human being by the name of Alexander the Third [sic], about 300
And they said, “Oh, yes.” And they went to this computer, and poked
into a bunch of things, and so help me, God, a screen appeared, a big
wide screen, you know, better and clearer than anything you’d ever see
in a theater, and there was a battle, a battle being fought by
Alexander the Great and Persia about 300 BC, right in front of my
eyes! And they could pull that up. And it was so real, it was almost
like I was being there. You know, you hear the sounds, you can smell
the smells, and...my God, it was shocking.
And that’s what they seemingly are able to, to tap into. I got the
impression that this was what they called the Akasha [i.e., the
BD: There seems to be an infinite record of human history from the
very beginning of our origins, up until not only now, but apparently
into our future as well. And that’s something else that I had a hell
of a time coming to terms with.
GD: What other technology did you experience while you were that
really struck you?
BD: Oh, Jesus! [laugh] Well, first of all, how I got there. They
grabbed my ass out the middle of the night. And I sleep in my shorts,
I sleep in my BVDs. And here I am, being taken aboard this ship in my
BVDs. And I’m in kind of a little lounge area, where there are
comfortable chairs, and they bring me out what looked like a pair of
pajamas—elastic band around the waist, and long-legged pants, and a
loose top, just like a pair of pajamas that you would, you know, a lot
of people sleep in. And they gave that to me, and told me to put it
on, and keep from getting chilly.
And I was aboard what I apparently thought was a ship, no more than 20
or 25, 30 minutes at the most. And the next thing I know,
we’re...we’re wherever we were, Milena or whatever it was, a city or a
planet or something. And I spent six weeks with them. And that
literally shattered my life, Graham. I jokingly told you the other day
when we were chatting, I said I went through a period where I thought
I was losing my mind?
That was phase one. Then I went through phase two, where I had become
convinced that I had lost my mind. And I went through that, and now
I’m in phase three, that I’ve convinced myself that I’m sane and the
rest of the world is nuts. [laughs]
And I’m comfortable with that, Graham.
GD: It actually wasn’t six weeks in Earth time, from what you shared
with me the other day, is that right?
BD: Well, that’s the thing that blew me away, you see? You asked about
technology, what effect it had one me, what impressed me the most. I
was with them literally for six weeks! I mean, they fed me, I went to
the bathroom, you know, they gave me a small room, with...it was
comfortable as you might find in some, you know, some decent little
hotel or motel. I had a bathroom, I had a bed, I had a shower.
And they’d bring me illustrated menu, with pictures of different food
items on it, something like you’d find I think when you go to a
Denny’s restaurant sometimes. I mean, here’s a menu with photographs
on it. And then I was told that I could point to anything on there
that I wanted, and they would provide it for me. And they did.
Man, I ate like a pig for six weeks! Damned near everything I wanted.
Anything I’d point to, within 20 minutes, they’d have it. Now, how
they did it, I don’t know. A couple of people have said it sounds a
hell of a lot like what you saw on Star Trek, you know, where they go
over to the wall and poke the computer and something, you know, a cup
of tea would come out? Or whatever?
But the technology that really blew me away, Graham, is when they
brought me back. Because while I was with them, I was worried. I kept
thinking, my God, what has my wife done? You know, when she wakes up
in the morning and I’m not there? And my clothes are still there, and
I just disappeared in the middle of the night? Are the police still
looking for me?
After about three or four weeks, I thought, my God, there’s probably
police all over the place looking for the old codger. But, damn it,
when they brought me back, they brought me back 15 minutes after they
Now, let me tell you, if you don’t think that kind of shakes you up
and destroys any preconceived ideas you might have of the laws of
physics! And I learned that these guys are so capable of manipulating
matter and manipulating time.
And I’ll be honest with you, Graham, it’s been nine years, and I’m
still having a problem coming to terms with that. We’re dealing with
advanced intelligences out there that can literally manipulated matter
and time. That’s one of the reasons why the lid has been slammed down
on this and why it’s going to stay down for a while.
Our authorities have no idea of how to get the mass of people
introduced to this reality, that human beings on planet Earth are so
primitive and so backward, and we’re confronting intelligences that
could be a million years ahead of us, for God’s sake. We’re going to
have to tread very carefully here. I don’t expect to see any kind of a
Disclosure in my lifetime.
I’m still trying to come to terms with what happened to me in 2003,
and even today I find it difficult to come to terms with that, because
I found that all of my previous world views were completely worthless.
Everything I’d been taught in school, in physics, astronomy and
history, I found that most of it was just garbage! That’s difficult to
come to terms with, when you realize that your old world view just
collapses around your knees, and you’ve got to build yourself a new
paradigm, and it’s not that easy.
I understand why the lid is down on this thing and why they’ve clamped
it down tightly, because they cannot even begin, Graham, to tell the
people the whole story.
People have got to be accustomed and gotten used to this and gently
introduced to some of this material. And, you know, if they were to
start having what they call a Disclosure, they’d open Pandora’s Box,
and boom, everything would come out. And the world, I, honest to God,
don’t believe that most of the people on this planet are not ready for
GD: If we could go back...of course, everything you share inspires so
many questions. And one of the things I wanted to really get clear
about is it sounds you’ve been brought on to ships a number of times.
You didn’t have the sense that you were abducted. It wasn’t a fearful
experience. And when we spoke the other day, it sounded like—you were
very much interested in them, of course—and it sounds like they were
also studying you.
BD: Yeah, that’s something that really got to me, because it became
clear to me after a while that they were as interested in me as I was
as interested in them. And I asked them why. I was with about five of
them regularly. It was almost like they’d had a team assigned to me.
There were three males and two females in this group, and they were
the same group—they stayed with me more or less all the time. You
know, they’d put me to bed at night, and I’d sleep like a baby for
six, eight hours. But I found that they were as fascinated by me as I
was as interested in them. And I asked them, one day, why.
And they said that, well, apparently, humans have a unique genome. It
seems that the genetics of the human species is rather rare and rather
special. And it is, indeed, rather unique, and they tried to explain
it to me. And it seems that the human genome is made up of at least a
dozen parts of chromosomes and genes from other species throughout the
galaxy, that we’re not merely a combination of one or two, but we
apparently are a blend of a whole bunch of different species and races
and civilizations out there. And so, the human genome is apparently
And they are fascinated by that, and they study that. They took
samples of me, they took tissue samples while I was with them, for
study. And apparently my genome was fascinating to them, that humans
on planet Earth are rather unique and rather special.
Matter of fact, one of the males said to me one time, he says, “If you
humans had any idea how rare and special you were, you’d treat each
other a lot better.” And he made his point. And I had to agree with
GD: Do you now what society you were with, what extraterrestrial you
were with when you went? [inaudible]
BD: They never clarified that for me either. Not only did I not know,
Graham, where the hell I was, but I wasn’t quite sure what species or
what race I was with, because they look just like we do! Other than
when you look into their eyes, you notice that there’s a difference in
the way they look at you. There’s an intensity in their eyes that...a
depth. It’s hard to find words to describe.
There’s an intensity that, when they look at you, you feel like
they’re looking right through you. I didn’t run into any so-called
Reptilians, and I didn’t run into any of the little Grays, although I
had seen some of the Grays before. But while I was with them, there
were no Grays there. Everybody that I was with were humanoid in the
sense that they could walk up and down the street and get away with
it. They could sit next to you in a restaurant and you wouldn’t know
GD: And how would you describe their energy? What was, what was you’re
your sense of them as...[inaudible]?
BD: Oh, that’s one of the other things. When I talk about look into
their eyes, you sense their energy, Graham. There’s an intensity about
them. I don’t know whether you’d call it an aura. Possibly that is
about as close as you could come. But there is an electromagnetic kind
of energy that you feel when you’re close to them. It’s almost like a
life form, a life energy. And it’s very powerful. And that’s when you
really know that they’re not human, that if they’re human they’re more
Maybe a thousand or a million years ahead of us.
GD: Would you describe that energy as a spiritual energy?
BD: I think that’s probably as close as you can get, Graham, yeah.
It’s a kind of, you know, a spiritual energy. You know, all of us
human beings are not material human bodies. I mean we walk around
inside these containers for 60, 80, 100 years maybe, and when this
container starts getting old and falling apart, we discard it, and we
leave it, walk away from it. That, essentially human beings are
spiritual beings. Well, these guys that I encountered are also
spiritual beings, but their spirituality has an intensity to it I find
GD: Would you describe that as a higher state of being, a higher state
of, perhaps, unity consciousness? More peaceful, harmonious?
BD: Well, it’s a kind of intensity, Graham. It’s like when you walk up
close to an electrical machine, and you can feel the static
electricity. You can feel the energy, but you can’t see it. If you can
just get close to it, you can feel it. That’s why mere words are not
sufficient to describe some of the things that I’ve experienced.
And I’ll apologize to you, because I find that as hard as I’ve been
trying over the years to put these things into terms that I could
share with people, I find that mere words in the English language are
not sufficient to describe the depth and the intensity of my feelings
and my emotions. And trying to describe what it’s like being in their
presence, it’s like being close to an incredibly powerful spiritual
being! But they look just like we do. I mean...I never saw any of them
with any of their clothes off, you know.
I said something else about my trip. I never, ever once saw any of
them eat, and I looked back on that and thought that that was rather
strange. They never ate in my presence. And I’m assuming they ingested
food pretty much like I do. They had a mouth, they had teeth, and they
looked healthy. But I never saw them eat. But I did a hell of a lot of
eating while I was with them.
GD: [laugh] And in terms of how they looked, did they look old? Did
they look young?
BD: Well, one of the males had gray hair, and I got the impression
that he was the oldest of the group. As I said, there were three males
and two females that stayed pretty much with me for six weeks.
Now, one of the males looked like he was, it looked to me like he was
about 65, maybe 70 human. But he didn’t look—how the hell do I
describe it?—he didn’t look aged, he just had gray hair, and his eyes
and his skin looked like he’d been around a while.
But he didn’t have any wrinkles, but it was very, very clear, very
obvious that he was older than the other two males.
GD: Did you see children?
BD: No, never once did I see a child. I asked about that. I said,
“Where are your children?” and they informed me that they were
basically in school, or someplace like that. Because there were no...
The whole six weeks I was there, I never saw a kid, I never saw a
child. And that was kind of surprising to me. So they said that, yes,
they had children, but their children were in school.
GD: One of the things I learned about are the healing chambers on
ships. And I’m wondering if you had any recollection of being in a
healing chamber, and how you felt physically, mentally, emotionally
when you came back?
BD: Well, this one time when I was aboard the ship, I was stark-ass
naked, and I was lying on this table, and this tall being was running
his hands over my body. Now, not once did his hands ever touch my
body, but I felt the warmth of his hands as he went from my toes over
to the top of my head. I could feel the warmth of his hands. And I got
the impression that not only was he examining me, but I got the
impression that he was, in a sense, probably tuning me up, or healing
me, or whatever.
I turned 83 here just a week ago, Graham, and all things
considered—the fact that I damn near died in October—I’m in pretty
damned fine shape, for an old codger.
GD: That’s great.
BD: So I figure that some of this treatment, some of this...whatever
the hell they were doing...I considered it a form of, you know,
healing, as it were. But not once did his hands ever touch my body,
but I felt the warmth of his hands, and I got the impression I was
being not only tuned up but examined at the same time.
Now, he may have had something on his hands, but I don’t remember
seeing anything like gloves or anything like that. All I remember is
very long fingers.
GD: Was there anything that you didn’t like, you weren’t comfortable
with, when you were...?
BD: You know, that’s surprising. No, not one thing! The only thing
that I found uncomfortable was I could never get all the answers to
the questions I was asking. You know, I kept saying, “Where am I?
Where are we? Am I on another planet? Am I in another dimension? Where
And I never really got a straight answer. And that one female kind of
took pity on me and she kind of looked at me and she says, “This is
Milena.” And I haven’t the slightest idea what the hell that is or
what she was talking about.
GD: Have you been in touch with them since?
BD: Well, let’s see. Not in the last several weeks, no.
I’ve been...I’ve been healing from.... You know, I almost died in
October, Graham. I came down with viral meningitis. I spoke at a Kerry
Cassidy conference in Orange County last September, about the 25th I
think it was, and 10 days later I was in an intensive care unit in a
Phoenix hospital in a coma. And I had come down with viral meningitis,
and apparently the doctors thought the old codger was kicking in, you
They called my wife and my son and told them that they didn’t expect
me to be able to make it. And so I was in the hospital for six weeks.
Interesting term, isn’t it? Six weeks with the aliens and six weeks in
GD: Oh, oh yeah.
BD: But, here I am. I’m slowly getting my strength back. I find my
energy level is returning slowly, not as fast as I would like. And my
appetite is improving a little bit. So, I’m figuring that at 83, hell,
maybe I’ll be around for another couple of years.
GD: Well, that’s fortunate for us. When we were talking before—and I
hope this is okay, that I bring it up on the show—you were mentioning
that you actually felt that you died. You had an out-of-body
experience and you were encouraged to come back, is that right?
BD: Well, I was in a coma, and apparently I was out of my body. I have
a vague memory, Graham, of being out of my body, and I have a memory
of having gone home! And, so help me, God—no pun intended—I was told
that I couldn’t stay, I had to get back. And I didn’t want to come
You know, I...I’ve been through three wars, I’ve had three marriages,
I’ve had some tragedies in my life. Eighty-some years on this planet,
Graham. I’m not complaining, mind you, but I find that hanging around
on planet Earth all these years has not been a fun trip, exactly.
I was in the Korean war. I was in the Vietnamese war. Lost a lot of
friends. Lost a child to suicide. I’ve had three marriages. Man, I’m
tired, you know! I figure that I’ve paid my dues, and I wanted to go
home. And when I went home, so help me, they wouldn’t let me stay!
They told me I had to go back because I wasn’t finished, whatever the
hell that meant. So maybe I was sent back to do what I’m doing right
at this moment, talking to you.
GD: Well, I really appreciate you sharing that. And...boy, an hour
never seems to be enough, like you said—it just scratches the
surface—when we were talking before the show. There’s one piece that I
want to get to, and if we have time I’d like to go back to your
experience about the ships and more about your experience with
But there was a message, or, rather, they showed you what the new
Earth would look like. What I gather, it’s quite a beautiful vision.
BD: Well, that’s the thing that really got to me. I’ve had...I’ve been
running hot and cold all of my life. I jokingly said to Kerry Cassidy
one time that I’ve had a love-hate relationship with the human race
since I was a kid. One minute I look at the human species and I think,
“Oh, aren’t they sweet? Aren’t they lovable? Aren’t they wonderful?”
And the next minute I’m saying, “To hell with them. They’re a bunch of
rotten so-and-sos. Blow ‘em all up,” you know, “They’re not worth the
powder to blow them up.”
And so I’ve had this on-and-off-again relationship with humanity since
I was a kid. Well, it’s still going on, but I do believe that the
human race is undergoing—and they made this very clear to me—that the
entire species, Graham, is undergoing a transition. And at this moment
in time the human species is undergoing what I would describe as a
transcendent transformation into a new race, into a new species.
And they showed me some glimpses of the future. And it’s absolutely
glorious! We’re going to make it. We’re going to suffer our way
through this awkward transition. The analogy I use, it’s like going
through adolescence. The human species is going through its last stage
of adolescence into adulthood. And as I said, I call it a transcendent
transformation into a new race entirely.
We are literally being genetically manipulated into a new species. And
it’s underway, and it’s rather painful, and this—going through this
period of adolescence, with our wars and our heartbreaks and miseries
and hatreds and all of that, that there is a future for the human
race, and it’s absolutely glorious.
We do have a future, Graham, and they made that pretty clear to me.
Apparently, the future is as clear to them as the past is. Because
they tried to explain to me—which didn’t even get to first base—that
there is no such thing as time as we think of it, that humans’ concept
of time is not at all what it’s really like, that out there, in space
time, there’s only an eternal present.
Now, if you can grab onto that and make some sense out of that, you
have my...I wish you well, because I’m still trying to come to terms
with that myself. After nine years, I’m still trying to grasp what the
hell that means.
GD: And when they showed you what the new Earth would look like, is
there something in particular that really caught your eye or really
sticks with you in terms of what you were shown?
BD: Yeah, the thing that grabbed me the most, that.... You know, I’ve
always wanted to go to the stars, and I know that in a spiritual sense
we human beings are from the stars, that that’s our origin, out there
in time-space, space-time. And the future that they showed me is that
the entire human species has gone to the stars and it’s taken its
rightful place alongside of millions and millions of other species and
civilizations and cultures, and that we’re out there in the stars in
the years yet to come.
And that’s our future. And the greatest dreams you could have of our
old pathetic Star Trek movies? Apparently we haven’t even seen
anything yet. The thing that really blew me away is that they inferred
that there was something like—you know, remember when we used to go to
the old Star Trek movies, they talked about the Galactic Federation?
GD: Right. Yeah.
BD: Apparently there is something like that out there, and the
headquarters for this thing is not even in our galaxy, for God’s sake.
There is something like a Galactic Federation. There is an
organization of advanced intelligences out there that...they’re almost
practically godlike in their development and evolution and their state
of technology. And there is a headquarters for this organization, but
it isn’t even in our galaxy. The image that I was given made me think
of M31, Andromeda.
I remember years ago when I was studying astronomy that the Andromeda
Galaxy is catalogued as M31 in our astronomical catalogues.
BD: And I got the impression that that was where the Galactic
Federation was, or the headquarters was.
But we have a future, the human race has a future! And that’s the most
exciting thing about it. And I try to tell people, you know,
particularly these doomsday-sayers.
These people, they’re all, “Oh, the world’s coming to an end on
December 21st, blah blah blah. We’re all doomed...!” Oh, poppycock!
Balderdash, as I like to say. A hundred thousand...a million people
dropped dead today, Graham, and for them, the world came to an end.
And a million others were born.
So this doomsday b*******, if you’ll pardon my French, I just cannot
tolerate it. And, when I was with these other guys.... I hate the word
alien. I hate the word ET—that doesn’t even apply either. The term I
like to use is they’re family. They are literally family.
And they indicated that there is a future for the human species, and
it’s a glorious future. And we have no idea, incredibly, what we’re
yet to become.
GD: And is it fair to say, from what you’re learned and your
perspective, that they are us from many years down the road, and they
are helping us to evolve?
BD: Well, you know, that’s a pretty good question. That’s a pretty
good answer. When you consider there’s no such thing as time, hell, I
could have been talking to human beings a million years in the future!
Because they can travel in time like we get in a car and drive down
the street to go to the grocery store.
Back in 1947, when that little accident took place in Roswell, there
was a German scientist—well, von Braun was one of them, but—they were
shown the ship, and this German scientist looked at it and said,
“That’s a timeship. That’s not a spaceship, that’s a timeship.” And
then I learned, when I was with them, that when you travel in space,
you do indeed travel in time.
So yes, the guys that I spent six weeks with, who fed me like a pig,
that could be human beings a million years ahead in the future. I
didn’t get a chance to ask them that question, and I’m not sure they
would have answered me. But I drove them up the wall as it was.
GD: You were talking about the end of this year, December 2012. A lot
of people feel that this year is significant, and it is the year that
we’re seeing this transition, the shift—some people call it Ascension;
some people call it the unfoldment, the evolution. Is that your
understanding as well, is that this is the year where we’re going to
see these big changes?
BD: Well, you know, I was in Mexico City a year ago. I was a guest of
Jaime Mausan down in Mexico City at a conference. And I got a chance
to talk to a couple of old Mayan shamans. And you know what they
really say? They really expect Quetzalcoatl to come back on December
21st. That’s what their calendar really says. They said that the world
is not going to come to an end. The old world, the old cycle will come
to a close, but the new beginning will begin. And they honestly expect
Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent, to return!
Now, Quetzalcoatl, according to the ancient Mayan and Aztec, Incan
tradition—Kukulkan—this was a tall, white, bearded and blue-eyed man
who came to them thousands of years ago, taught them physics and
science and astronomy and all things, and then he promised when he
left that he would be coming back.
Well, some of the Mayan shamans believe that old Quetzalcoatl is coming back.
You know, Graham, I would be at all surprised if the real event that’s
going to probably change everything will probably be a massive
confrontation with some of our cousins, where they’re going to come
down in giant ships two and three miles across, and they’re going to
land, and they’re going to say, “Ah! Your childhood is over!”
GD: You see that happening?
BD: I see that almost anything is possible, Graham. I just hope if
that does happen that I can hang around until December 21st to see it.
GD: Well, it’s interesting that you speak to that. There are a lot of
speculations around how our galactic family will make themselves more
known, more visible. When is the right time? Is the end of this year
significant? And I think there’s a lot to point to that it is. You
mentioned Disclosure and that from your vantage point humans...Earth
isn’t ready for that. And I think time will tell, right? It’s
certainly an interesting year, for sure.
BD: Well, it’s going to be an interesting year, and whether we’re
ready or not, I have a nagging suspicion, Graham, that they’re going
to show themselves in a big way before too long, and whether we’re
ready or not, it doesn’t matter. But the time will come, as Robert
Heinlein said, for childhood to come to an end. That, hey guys, here
we are, we’re family. Now, we’ve got a new beginning. We’re going to
start a new calendar, and we’re going to count this day one, year
And I would like to hang around to see that happen.
GD: Oh, yeah. Exciting times, for sure. And they’re here to help us.
BD: Well, they’ve never been here to destroy us, because they’ve been
with us from the beginning. People ask me to describe them, and I said
the closest I can come to is that they’re...they’re custodians.
They’re nurturing the human species through this transition, and
they’re trying to help us make that transformation. And they’re not
necessarily benevolent, but they’re not malevolent, either.
GD: If you were to distill the information that you’ve learned and,
perhaps equally as important, the information that you think is really
important for people to hear, if you were to say that in a couple of
sentences, what is it that you think is most important?
BD: Well, it’s difficult to come up—and I know exactly what you’re
asking, and I’ll do my best to try to tell you. After all that I’ve
seen, after all that I’ve learned and all of the things they’ve shown
me, after 83 years of living—a lifetime—I’ve learned the two things
that really, to me, are important: one, Graham, that there is no
death, that human beings are spiritual beings and they are infinite
and immortal. And the other thing that is the most important, I think,
is that there is indeed a supreme being; there is a God. And that to
me is all I need to know, and that’s all I will ever need to know.
GD: And along those lines, one of the interviews that I caught with
you, you were talking about what you’ve learned about love.
BD: Oh, God! Love is the bottom line, Graham. Love is the power of the
Universe. Our Father in heaven loves us, and that’s the most important
issue. And if we can simply bring ourselves to love one another, my
God, what a world this could be, hunh?
GD: Well, my hope and my vision is that that’s where we’re headed. So,
with this transition, with the support and help of our galactic
family, the new Earth that we’re creating, this new group or unity
consciousness, that’s the foundation. Love is the foundation.
BD: Love is the foundation, Graham. You hit it right on the head there.
GD: Well, it’s been such a joy, Bob Dean, to have you on the show. And
you have so much knowledge and so many years of experience! And thank
you very much for your time, and I hope we can do this again.