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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 1:28pm

  And why should we think otherwise, if not due to some ignorance about Islam? Shiism's core believe is that leaders in Islamic world are NOT elected as in a republic, but must be descendants of Muhammad! So how can you say an overwemingly Shia majority region will want a government that is contrary to the core belief of shiism?? it is a total absurdity!!
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 1:20pm

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  "Obviously you are an islamic enthusiast, if not an actual practitioner, so whatever I say to you, will always be ignored in favour of your religion...."
  
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  Your tone is that of some aversion to religion in general, and Islam in particular, but somehow think you can be a spockesman of Muslims!! If I sound like an Islamic enthusiast, If I sound like an 'Islamic enthusiast', it only shows that I can better advocate for a 'majority Muslim' region. Otherwise someone who show some aversion to Islam, might be clouded by his bias against Muslims.
  
  Now lets check a bit. If someone sitting in armchair in London, listening to some MSM could correctly tell what 'majority of pple in a region' wants, then we won't need any election anywhere on earth. Just ask that guy to tell you, and then swallow it as 'fact'. From that, we can tell that no facts have been presented to us here at all! Just some unsubstantiated opinions!!
  
  Saying that Iranis don't want their government is, tacitly, saying that Britons or Americans or whatever are ones who erect governments that 'their pple want'. How absurd! In Tunisia, we saw pple overturned their government, in a way completely analogous to the 1979 Iranian revolution. The lesson here is that Tunisians did not require our 'help' for them to topple the government they did not want. Same applies to Sri Lankans recently. Same applies to French Revolution etc. If Iranis will ever hate their government, they will initiate another revolution with or without any help from external.
  
  But then after the Iranian revolution, the theocracy was installed, then followed by an attack by Saddam, with the help of Europeans, USSR and U.S.. Common sense indicates here that if Iranis did not want the theocracy, as in if elections were faked, as Drekx alleged, then they would have joined arms with the rest of the world to overthrow the thus initiated regym. After all they were the ones who had just overthrowed a powerful government backed by the west and USSR. So what happened that made them suddenly impotent to the extent that a theocracy could be imposed on them? This makes zero sense!! So the only tenable conclusion is that Iranian theocracy is very popular in Iran
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  Drekx Omega September 25, 2022 at 12:26pm

  

  Obviously you are an islamic enthusiast, if not an actual practitioner, so whatever I say to you, will always be ignored in favour of your religion....Therefore, my discussions with you on this matter will go no where, as you are committed to a belief system, which blinds you to reality....You speak of "reasoning" and promptly ignore the evidence I offered you.....Like the MSM, you are deliberately ignoring the people of Iran, who are currently calling for a society free of theocracy....
  This is going around and round, with you, so I frankly will ignore you,henceforth, as it gets absurd when you ignore my presented evidence from inside Iran sources...Yes, keep reasoning based on false evidence....Unless you are in contact with an Iranian, on the ground, why should I believe you..??
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 12:16pm

  

  Qute:
  
  "Fake elections.....Are you that naive....??"
  
  Nope! I reason that it is a real election sinse it reflected the correct percentage of Muslims in Iran, and that Islam teaches theocracy!
  
  The other claim, that 'majority of Iranis wants secularism' is not backed by a reasoning based on any fact whatsoever. It is just a bald assertion!
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 12:14pm

  People confuse Christianity with Islam. The NT bible does not tell Christians to go form a theocracy. In fact, it forbids it. Consequently, a Christian majority society want secularism. Not so with Islam. The Quran teaches Muslims to form a theocracy, with Muhammad's caliphate being the first. Unlike Muhammad, Jesus did not create or even try, a theocracy. Therefore it is absurd to say that a Muslim majority country wants to defy the same doctrine of Islam as passed on by Muhammad himself!!
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  Drekx Omega September 25, 2022 at 12:10pm

  

  Fake elections.....Are you that naive....?? And also, there again, you tell me about America's imposition of capitalism on Iraq...So when did I suggest that we impose capitalism...?? If the people there want it, so be it....And apparently, from our inside sources, one of which I displayed for you, they do...And they want to be free of Islamic Thought Police, with their "moral code" applications upon women, especially....It must and will end...
  But more importantly for us, we want an Iran that is peaceful towards the UK/US/Saudis/Israel, as well as their neighbours. Currently they are the biggest exporters of trouble and terror....The region is getting sick of it...
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 12:07pm

  We have no reason to believe that a country composed of 95% Muslims wants a 'secularism', 'capitalism', 'free market' and other solely western what have yous when Quran explicitly forbid such things! Theocracy is a valid teaching in Quran.
  
  One of the createst mess that U.S. did in Iraq was to, immediately, try to impose capitalism in Iraq with the same 'majority of Iraqis want capitalism' presumption. They don't! Iranis voted for theocracy by over 95%
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  Drekx Omega September 25, 2022 at 11:54am

  

  So when was it that I suggested an invasion of Iran...?? Not certain which comment that I made confused you, but I will state here, categorically, that I do not advocate invasion...
  However I do believe that an intelligence war (using esoteric and exotic tech) against that dictatorship is justified and there are very large sections of that sad society, that are fed up with the Islamic tyranny, upon their day to day lives....And we should support the actual people of Iran in overthrowing their Moslem republic....Apparently, many of the people there want a secular democracy, free market economy and capitalist system, with a constitutional monarch restored...There is a Persian royal in exile....If he seeks the role.
  
  We don't need to invade, but we do need to provide more coverage of the internal situation, giving the people support....
  So if I were you I would stop conflating my views with the cabal's, who enjoy invading countries and turning them into desert wastelands....
  
  I want Iran to retain their civilisation and infrastructure, which is MUCH MORE THAN ISLAM....The religion you are always quoting at us..
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 11:52am

  

  Thus when I say: Iranis say that a railway headed to Caspian sea more of facilitated enemies intrusion to Iran than the latter's commercial interests, a reply like 'we should not ask Iranis because of their theocracy and what have you", This is a clouding of reasoning by bringing in an emotionally charging reputation about Iran. So we can never see any truth about what an Irani might say because of that 'theocracy' thing or even 'women right thing' because any such issue is immediately met with another red herring reference to Iran's alleged 'badness'. Such is exactly how Americans failed to foresee the realities that would ramificate follow an invasion of Iraq etc. Didn't even mohamar Ghadafi talked of 'immigration crisis'? But everyone in Europe said A tyrant has nothing to teach Europe'. This is chess thumbing and arrogance!
  
  Furthermore this habit of bringing in an emotionaly charging issue, pertaining to ethical reputation of the subject in question amid reasoning is exactly what Trudeau did with 'we should not support pple with swastika symbols'. Every government has wrongdoings. Saudi prince even embarrassed Biden when he thought that U.S. is 'a government of virtues' by showing examples that made Saudi's crimes pale in comparison. So yes, we might love to vilify Iran, but is U.S. or Britain any better? Should we not talk positively about US canada etc, maybe because Biden or Trudeau is there?
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  Roaring Lovely September 25, 2022 at 11:33am

  

  If you don't want Iran to become, like Libya etc, yet another failed state in the name of 'changing the regym', then it make sense to carefully examine the arguments offered by Iranis themselves as to how evil and incompetent countries such as U.S. is and so are unfit to commander changes of any sort in Iran. Failure to do that, Americans, Britons etc risk repeating the same mistakes, like they never learnt from Vietnam but went ahead to invade Iraq.
  
  However, the right enviroment for discussion about Iran can never be attained if what is in the uppermost concern in the 'western mind' is the alleged 'evil nature of Iran'. This brings Iran to the same situation as Iraq at then, where the emotions clouded reasoning in congress amid the hype about Saddam chemical weapons, 911 and other nonsense.