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  Daone April 6, 2009 at 1:21pm

  Quote : "It's usually obvious that not all positive is good and not all negative is bad."
  
  Yes, you are right, it is a misconception that unconditional love equals just saying yes all the time and/or stroking someone by the hairs. It is as you say, and act of love to teach someone a lesson, not in terms of beating the shit out of someone hehehe he, but one should not stand for a wrong. Of course you know what I mean and perhaps I presented a bad xample that could be misused, but you're not a fool.
  
  How to differ good from bad, yea, that may be a subjective opinion and hard to answer in a short sentence. One idea could be that one ask's oneself if your own decition is based on your own benefit, aka, do you act for selfish reasons or are you offering help for the benefit of the receiver.
  
  As a anaology, a mother's love is a good illustration of unconditional love, above and beyond she will always have her child's interest in mind, even if she teaches her young and hopefull that i.e stealing and lying is wrong. She wont dicipline the child because she hates it, but because she loves it.
  So yes, a perceived "negative" may be as they say, a blessing in disguise he he he, and an act of unconditional love.
  
  "Then, is it OK to beat someone, y'know, coz I do it for their benefit...a blessing in disguise?"
  
  Lol heh he, no!!!
  Causing physical or emotional harm is not something I would connect to unconditional love and I hardly think that would "teach" anyone a lesson. That would in any case be an act of "elevating" one self or satesfying ones self sense of justice. And just to have it said, causing harm is something quite different from I dunno, "denying someone something" for their own benefit...if you know what I mean.
  
  Let's take capital punishment, is that an act of unconditional love? I mean, isn't it fair that the one who commited a murder pay's for it with his own life?
  
  Is it?
  I'd say no. I'd say it is and selfish act, two wrong's doesn't make one right. Isn't it a act to fullfill ones own sense of gratification of feeling justified? Is it justifiable?
  As you see, it is not an act of unconditional love...obviously he he, but again, that doesn't mean that the murderer should walk free either. It is indeed a controversial topic, but as I earlier pointed out, an act of unconditional love is not a act of self gratification. If one xpects something in return, well, then it is not unconditional, it is then an act of love...with a condition attached. :)
  
  As in the case with a xecution. What does the murderer learn from being xecuted? To behave? he he he, no, an xecution is a selfish act, to satisfy ones own emotions or sense of justice. So, an xecution is performed for the sole purpose and benefit of the xecutioners.
  
  "Whatta fcuk has this to do with the discussion?"
  I dunno, he he hehehe he he
  
  Be Blessed...and Be Good
  Pasiel
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  Aniko April 6, 2009 at 6:55am

  Thanks for the insightful reply. I resonate with your words greatly and feel the message you are trying to convey to me. I just have to say about negativity though. If i did something negative to help someone learn a lesson that could benefit them spiritually, is that not also part of unconditional love? If we punish lets say a child rapist with life in prison, is that not out of unconditional love for him and any that he might try to harm again?
  
  The idea of negative and positive having moral value is a bit exaggerated no? It's usually obvious that not all positive is good and not all negative is bad. So then how do we determine whats actually good from whats actually bad? The further we go the less tangible these things get. So really i believe unconditional love is a nebulous cloud of something already penetrating this reality. Maybe it's something like a matrix that we exist in...
  
  I have more to say but am a bit drowsy.
  
  Be well :)
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  Daone April 6, 2009 at 4:52am

  Yea, I see what you are saying, but a word and it's meaning is meaningless if one doesn't fully understand it's true meaning as well as it's context. The terminology or rather, the words themselves in terms of just language or words put in a sentence probably doesn't make much sense compared to it's original or true meaning.
  
  If you knew, really knew, that all is one, that your enemy is yourself, then the meaning of unconditional love actually has a different meaning compared to a knowing of separateness. From that standpoint, you are quite right in your assertions.
  
  Heh he he, Love....yea, some say there is nothing else in xistence but love, only that there is "less" of it where it is not apparent he he hehehe he.
  But try this, whenever and wherever you go, say or do. See whomever or whatever as another you, you having a different xperience than you-you. See if you cant find it easier to both see and feel even more love. Coz there is only you, I am just another part of you talking to myself he he hehe he, we're talking about the ultimate schizophrenic being, heh, I am nothing but a figment of our imagination.
  
  Heh, there's nothing that stops you from saying you love someone unconditionally and be obnoxious at the same time, I am not sure if that "someone" would agree, but if you think about it, you wouldn't do that anyway if you infact did love someone unconditionally, so the point is invalid. However, talk is cheap, and it is easy to throw around words without them [words] having any real meaning...if you know what I mean :)
  
  Shine unconditional love 24/7?, not sure where you are going with that, unconditional love is not about running around with a grin stretching from ear to ear. It is about being true to one self, and in the light of knowing self, one knows all others are also self. And one appreciates and accept that the other selves are perceiving, xperiencing and xploring on their own accord. In this lies the "allowance".
  
  Yes, I know you're thinking about the negative parts/aspects and how it relates to unconditional love. Well it dosn't. If you truly knew that all is one, an act of "negativity" toward another self would not even enter the equation. So, being obnoxious would be litterary impossible. Does that make sense?
  
  I know, the word unconditional love is being misused, but be gentle, most people do it in good faith, and we are all still learning or starting to remember, you may see us as students so I think we should allow ouselves to xplore and get acustomed to this and truth. The most important thing is to know what it [unconditional love] means, makes it easier to aim when you know what you're shooting for/at. And unconditional love doesn't necessary mean "yes" all the time, sometimes it could also mean "no". But that is another story, I posted a blog called...ta ta...Unconditional Love, go read it for a broader xplanation.
  
  Right now, in this very moment, you'd have to be prepared for riddicule, being taken advantage of etc. if you were to go fully "unconditional" he he he, so the interesting question is :
  
  "would that be a reason for you to not go unconditional?"
  
  If yes, then how many before you has to go "unconditional" before you join?
  
  Nah, I dont have any answer for that, I know what I know and although I am not perfect myself, and despite being forgetfull of my heritage at times, I do try to live by it and I do live by it when I am conscious. And it is helluva lot easier when you are conscious compared to a vice or an "ideal" (however admirable) that you strive for. But believe me, I am unconscious at times too hehe he he hehehe he, but that's cool, I'm a nice guy anyway ;)
  
  Be Blessed Bro...and Be Good
  Pasiel
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  Aniko April 6, 2009 at 12:38am

  I admit it gets complicated what with so many definitions for what love means, it's purpose, and it's affect on humans or other worldly inhabitants. Can say that i love someone unconditionally and be completely obnoxious to them? Love can be an underlying powerful element to our actions, but that does not make it the only element nor the dominant. It gets more difficult to say once you take into affect that we are only able to expend certain amounts of love before we become exhausted from shining unconditional love 24/7. Humans IMHO are not designed to radiate infinite love ( yet )
  
  So is it possible to love unconditionally? Yes but not for humans at this point in time.
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  Daone April 5, 2009 at 2:11pm

  Not possible?
  
  Of course it is, but in the present enviroment it might prove to be a test to even the most diligent practitioner.
  I am not sure how you interpret the meaning of the phrase "unconditional love".
  I think the most important aspect of it is the art of allowance. So it is not necessarily about loving what people do, but have so much love for them that you allow them to do whatever they do.
  
  So unconditional love has nothing to do with one dimensionality it is rather the oposite. In fact, in implies diversity through the word "allowance".
  
  So, what is this thing called love?
  
  Be Blessed...and Be Good
  Pasiel