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  • How We Determine QM Experimentaly.

    We use the so called 'Aspects Experiment'. We know that 'observation' affect the results by observing how a photon behaves 'when not being observed' and how it behaves 'when being observed'! Of course this is nonsense! What we are realy doing is 'observing' a certain polarization of a photon while neglecting the other polarization. Then we notice that merely changing what we are 'observing' changes the behaviour of the photon. This is done by tiliting the measuring apparatus accordingly.

    The point is that in all the experimental set ups, we are actually seeing the photon! Of course you see that It has nothing to do with 'creation of photons by observation'. This ridiculous notion championed by 'new agers' has zero to do with QM. QM is not about 'creation'. It is about 'altering'.

    One analogy is this: suppose you see the face of someone moving eastwards. Then you can't see his back. Suppose you note that every time you turn around and sees his back, he turns an moves northwards. So you can conclude that observation of his back 'turns the guy from walking eastwards into walking morthwards'.

    Same applies in qm where 'observation of a particle's location collapses its wave nature turning it into a particle'. You see the irreconcilable difference QM and the 'new age' nonesense?? We can see both the particle's wave-like nature and its particle-like nature. 'Observation' is not 'observing the particle' but rather 'observing an aspect of it', in this case its 'location'.

    In new age, 'when we are not seeing the electron' means we are not seeing it entirely!! It means we have closed our eyes. Then electrons pops into being solely because we saw one in our consciousness!! So in new age, we don't see the wave nature as this is the mischievious drama taking place when we close our eyes!! New age is a total walk off the road! They score zero out of ten!!
  • Quantum Observation

    When we say 'observation' in QM, We rather mean 'an interaction between microscopic world and the macroscopic world'. It is an unfortunate misnomer because what we normally call it 'observation' is an interaction between the observed and the observer. Therefore observation is an interaction, but an interaction is, of course, not necessarily an observation. This is the blunder that the drunk physicists made. (Unfortunately they never like admitting their errors cause they want to look perfect)!

    There is no real observation in quantum interactions, unless an electron shoots directly to your eyes. Then the retina, the visual cortex or the celebrum 'collapses' the wavefunction. Only in this sense do 'observation' alters the subatomic world. But then this is always the case even in classic physics!!! When we observe, we alter the wavelength of light that hits the eye for reasons straight foward to understand. There is nothing QM adds as far as interaction between what causes conscious perception and the outer world!
  • High, its OK. Its good when topics flow.☺

    I was referring specifically to a switch of topic termed 'red herring'.

    THE LION:We don't observe an electron because it is gazillions times smaller than the smallest thing naked eye can see. Therefore when they say 'observe' in QM, they don't mean a conscious registration of an electron in one's mind.

    THE HORSE: Arguments are pointless.

    This is an example of what is called red herring fallacy. A person, when he can't argue against a point simply switches the topic to turn attention away. In this case, the lion's argument should be rejected because generaly, 'arguments are pointless' and the lion is tabling an argument. To substantiate his point, the 'lion' has now to focus on the question of whether arguments can make a point. Thus the topic changes and that was the aim of the red herring: to change the topic and create a complexity that distorts the simle argument in pple's minds!!

    This tactic is at times done intentionally, but often it is unintentional!
  • I was talking about QM and how pple misunderstand it. Then they switch the topic into s question of 'whether or not we should argue', i.e. a purely personal issue! They don't want real physics. That is not the reason they talk about QM. All they love us revolving things around personalities, and they think QM justifies such a world where reality is nothing but a theatre of our own minds and egos. They love this because it helps them to shoot at the person rather than what they are saying. If I say the sun is electric, then it is all about me because after all I summon the sun into being, like a God, when I look up! So the 'sun' is realy about me. If they don't like what I say about the sun, they ferociously shoot me personaly cause they can't disconnect 'the sun' from 'the me'!
  • "chill out Roaring, do you have a bad day or something? If people don't understand you that's on you, than explain better."

    As long as people fix their mind on a 'who' rather than 'what' I am saing, they are not going to understand me. Why do pple here care about the personality of the poster and let it overshadow what they are saying? Here, pple seem to come to cross exermine pple's private world that they haven't shared! They ask all the wrong questions while reading what you post eg

    a. ) Is this person egotistic
    b.) Is he trying to appear the right one
    c. )Is he five dimensional
    d.) Does he 'think' or 'feel'
    e.)Is hee enlightened
    f.)Is he full of 'love'
    g.) Is he a 'light worker etc

    This is all what they are pre-occupied with. It is a chase after the things about the member, and not what they are saying. They won't understand such things as QM because they not interested with them. They only like the claims like 'when you so wish to see a bag of money infront of you, it comes about'. Anything about QM that does not rivolve around personalizing reality, they don't want to understand!! They want such claims like 'I saw a tortoise', so they may pin in with the QM nonsense like 'the eagle came when you observed it' and then immediately switch from fixing their mind on 'the eagle' into what the like: the person claiming to see the eagle'. They don't want reality. They are all after the personalities of members thats all!

    As long as pple here have this mentality, they will never understand what I say, no matter how I explain it!!
  • It is a good feeling to be here. Many times i felt so alone but now I feel i found my family. Thank you for having me. 🙏🙏🙏🕊🕊🕊💗💗💗
  • This site used to have some very heated discussions and the 'buttons' were pushed literally from all the sides were ... challenging i would say ... ;)) but against some odds .. true friendships were born from opposite sides. Ironically. Good lessons were learned about 'oneselfs' mainly ... ;))

    "Fine words and an insinuating appearance are seldom associated with truth. The truth is not always beautiful, nor beautiful words the truth. Because one believes in oneself, one doesn't try to convince others. Because one is content with oneself, one doesn't need others' approval. Because one accepts oneself, the whole world accepts him or her.” ― Lao Tzu
  • I just want to make things better. I work hard to shed 3D ego and have unity ego. Thank you Ara
  • i like you MDragon ..)) you have sturdy energy about you.
    we all have egos one is physical another is spiritual, there is always going to be something/somebody who can push that 'button' ... ;)) allowing to be - very difficult practice. Another tough lesson i suppose.
  • Earth is a horrible place to live there's so much suffering here and the presence of evil much more pervasive.
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