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  charlene thein January 19, 2010 at 7:29am

  you would know who the bad guys are just by going within and using your heart to find the truth. what i am picking up, is that the bad guys are not the federation of light but the greys and draconians. so what your saying is you think that the bad aliens are pretending to be the federation of light. well i don't see this happening at this time.
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    charlene thein > charlene thein January 19, 2010 at 7:33am

    also just to have you know, the greys and other dark beings cant handle the vibration of love. so spread your love all that you can and dont stop until were home and out of this 3rd world density.
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  BentBuddha January 19, 2010 at 1:33am

  The way George Kavasilas explains it, the GFL have amassed a vast empire. The two at the top of it are Crocodilian reptillians disguised as beautiful humans. I have serious doubts that such a vast empire could amass if all the beings were in on it and had negative intentions. As far as they would know and experience, they are of the Light. So I wouldn't personally call them my enemy.
  
  Compared to this reality, those that choose to go with the GFL, their joy and quality of life will be off the charts and it is their path. That's their journey. Those that choose to stay with Mother Earth will ascend with her to 5D and meet our true brothers and sisters from the stars.
  
  I used to get anxious about my family and friends being tricked and going with the GFL, but now I feel no matter which path you choose, life is going to be a lot better than what we have been experiencing.
  
  I haven't made up my mind yet which path I will go. Obviously going to the true 5D is my preference, but if i feel i can't handle the earth changes or break my attachments to my family going the other way, I may go with the GFL. I'm an infinite being and I have eternity to experience all that is available in all of creation. I don't see a wrong or right choice here.
  
  One thing I know for sure is I'm ready to call it a day with this current experience and move on. I yurn for release and to experience something new. I feel very strongly that this journey here has run it's course and welcome anything new.
  
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    Eostre777 > BentBuddha January 19, 2010 at 1:54am

    I can relate...I"m ready to call it a day as well but I"m not sure i'm going to make the leap of catching the first ship outta here.
    I anticipated by then , It will be obvious what is home to who.
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  Apocalypstick January 17, 2010 at 11:22am

  I don't see the GFL as the "enemy", I'm not sure we really have an enemy outside ourselves... however, I don't believe they are genuine either.
  
  Too many promises being "chanelled" and not enough follow through.
  
  Edited to ad: Contrary to what might come across here, some channeled messages DO resonate with me, but they are few and far between.
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  Oen Libertatum January 17, 2010 at 10:49am

  Please close this discussion and post it on another website, the vibration of this discussion doesnt fit with Ashtar Command Crew, and it makes me sad to read something I am part of going up for debate.
  
  And hey, there is no enemy! even those of the Dark are our brothers and sisters, i Love the Darkness as well as the Light, you can still link LOVE with Dark you know. EVERYTHING is connected! The GFOL is not just a little organisation, it is HUUUUUGGEEEEE, streches through out the whole Universe linked to each Galaxy and vibration, SURE there will be beings of all kind, who have different feelings and are of a different vibration and conciousness.
  
  Yeah I know Im probably gonna get called a reptilian now, but maybe I am =), I am still trying to remember my true being, I am not from Earth that is one thing, and I love looking at reptiles, what is so bad about that, dont judge one type of species by what they are known for, many reptilians and greys work for the light too! example - I was born in Scotland and I am peacefull and can't stand the place, planning to move to asia when im older.
  
  
  If you think something is deceiving you, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF please, let people progress don't hold them back and pull them out =).
  
  ~~~~open your mind, open your heart~~~~
  
  Love, Light and Joy ~*
  
  Oen ~*
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    Eostre777 > Oen Libertatum January 18, 2010 at 11:37pm

    Oen, It saddens me you would take this position.
    Lilitu has a legitimate reason to be skeptical as many do. If you were confident with your spirituality you would not respond this way. Which goes to show that you're still stuck in a belief system.
    Skepticism and questioning and re examining is not only beneficial to ones spiritual seeking but most necessary.
    There is genuine skeptics who are driven forward by their own skepticism and curiosity and then there's the sinical skeptics who don't actually test anything...but just remain sinical.
    
    Furthermore if Ashtar Command,Federation of LIght,Galactic Federation of lIght or Galactic Confederation of LIght are all benevolent and are founded on LOVE then they wouldn't only mind us questioning them but would in fact, encourage it.
    How else do we graduate to a galactic being if not using our reasoning mind in balance with our intuition and heart?
    And let me make it clear....I too feel I am of a Starseed.I do feel that the "Good Guys' ET's are here and far outnumber the not so nice ones.
    
    GFL has been accused by George Kavasilas to be impostors. The Federation of LIght said of GFL as simply "They're playing out their role".
    Famous crop circle decoded "Believe there is still good out there' and 'beware of bearers of gifts".
    
    In my opinion GFL could as well be the legitimate one but the 'name' has been used by impostors.
    At same time the 'accuser' is to be questioned too.
    
    Anyone that creates a division of (us and them) is to be questioned.
    
    From what I've researched most of the channeled material(GFL,GCL,FoL) I resonate to deeply but at the same time all three have gaping holes that need to be addressed.
    
    And Oen, skepticism has never prevented one from progressing ...quite the contrary it challenges their mind and either reafirms their faith/knowledge or adds a new perspective.
    
    I am saddened that i have encountered defensive attitudes on other GFL sites...where genuine questions are dismissed as doubters,dark agents and so forth.
    
    If the idea of ascesion is basically the expansion or rise of our consciousness where we then KNOW and no longer have to BELIEVE...Then questioning everything is a fundamental part of the process of ascension.
    Otherwise if they would simply wish us to 'BELIEVE" in what they say then we're no better off...we still remain in the old paradigm...nothing New Age about it.
    
    The thing is, I've done my meditations and have checked within and "They' most definatelly are here from what I can see.
    I find it quite curious that there's several groups with the same name or similar who claim to be the good guys and some are even accusatory of others.
    Perhaps it is even perfect the way it is ...because people might get tired of trying to pick which one they believe in and stop following messages and start relying on their own soul.
    And for those that feel this is a rain on their parade....there's no harm in being vigilant.
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    Apocalypstick > Oen Libertatum January 17, 2010 at 11:37am

    Asking the site to go about ignoring people's fears or doubts is unhelpful.
    Seriously, expecting people to ONLY EVER talk about wonderful happy things and unicorns is naive. We are HUMANS having HUMAN experience, this includes doubt, fear, and *shock horror* negativity.
    
    It is through these things, through the darkness, and the doubt and the questioning and the debate that we are able to grow, learn and be taught.
    
    If you love the darkness as much as the light, don't be put off by it's presence on AC. It keeps the place real.
    
    xo
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      Oen Libertatum > Apocalypstick January 17, 2010 at 6:01pm

      I do apologise to being so swift in that comment. Many people are past bothering about doubting, like me, all i think now is forward and positively, yes i question what i think, but i ask my heart first which I think is the best way, like what do I FEEL is going on.
      
      It may be naive but it is GREAT! =) I enjoy being happy all the time, why not, is it bad? I don't think so lol
      I respect what you say and I agree that we should let people post what they like, but It is the vibration that doesnt fit with the website, I don't like people telling us that we are being deceived, let people find it out for themself or suggest to be suspiciouss of what a certain ID is saying in a channel or something similar, that seems better.
      
      Exactly we need the darkness and to go through fear and learn to avoid it. I think it makes this a debate website other than of PURE LIGHT, in that case, could you recommend a community with no DOUBT or negativity? I would love that so much, not that this website is bad, just believe there could be more for people like myself.
      
      Love, Light and Joy ~*
      
      Oen~*
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        Eostre777 > Oen Libertatum January 19, 2010 at 1:11am

        Hi Oen,
        No nothing wrong with being happy....and good for you, as your joy is spread.
        But nothing wrong with informing yourself or even being challenged.
        Love is Blissfull but not all Bliss is Love.
        
        A debate site and not a PUre Light site? I'm not sure what you mean?
        Firstly , I'm not debating wether the ET's are out there, N'or am I debating wether the Channelers are in contact with them or not.
        I can't debate because I don't have a conclusion. I have questions.
        But , I don't understand your statement that Lilitu's post is not in the same vibe as the website?
        I doubt she wants to make a religion out of skepticism...n'or do I.
        I haven't taken a position n'or did I accuse any of the channeled messages as deceivers.
        I've only stated that all of them have some form of inconsistency....which should be a glaring WTF? to anyone who follows them.
        
        It is one thing if a Born Again Christian bible thumper comes on this site and is preaching that everyone here is being deceived.
        It is quite another thing for someone like me or Lillitu or someone else who deeply resonate to all the channeled material but can't get over the inconcistencies.
        
        You say "it maybe naive but it is GREAT"....you said it not me. This can be easily interpreted as ignorance is bliss.
        
        By the way, in any spiritual order or group that is based on ancient wisdom , written or oral in this world...at least the ones that still retain the light of wisdom...They all encourage debate,analysing,testing,questioning,re questoning,...especially when one starts getting results from meditations..such as visions or clairaudience .Its suggested that its at these times one should be vigilant and examining and questioning their vision.
        I'm of the opinion that this is the perfect place to discuss legitimate doubts and questions.

        

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