Spiritual Forum

Jeff Rense: Okay. This two hours is going to be just fascinating. We get to spend it with . . . this two-hour session, with William Tompkins. And, of course, with Bill will be (Maj.) George Filer and Frank Chille. Bill?

William Tompkins: Yeah, I'm here.

Rense: Let's get started with this and as they come available we'll get them on. The last time that we had Bill on we'd gotten into some extraordinary areas, and what we're going to do tonight is continue to broaden the horizons, and I mean out into space. We're going to look out there and see what Bill Tompkins knows, what he can share with us, and we've got some photos up, too. If you go to the Rense.com homepage, take a look there and there should be photos under Bill's name. There's some very provocative things there.

If you recall, Bill, where were we last time when we let off in the narrative and where would you like to pick it up?

Tompkins: Well, we sort of left off, in the middle really, and if we could, I'd like to go back to like 1942. If we could start there.

Rense: Okay. Yeah.

Tompkins: There's a situation which I think is hard for people to realize and that is that when the Reptilians made their agreement with Hitler and the SS, it was entirely different than anything else on the planet.

Rense: When you say . . . who . . . I'm sorry, Bill. Who made the agreement?

Tompkins: When Hitler made the agreement to accept the assistance of the Reptilians.

Rense: The off-planet . . . I just wanted to make sure everyone is up to speed. We're talking about a visiting race of intelligent, very intelligent, life that are commonly referred to as the Reptilians. Okay. Go ahead.

Tompkins: Okay. Now, that put Germany into a totally different country. Now, the German people, of course, weren't allowed to even know that this extraterrestrial assistance had been given to the SS. Now when I said given, they were actually given the hardware. They weren't given a book to tell you how to operate a UFO. They were given the UFOs, not just one class, but 7, 8 different classes and types - even large cigar-shaped space vehicles.

Now, the point here is that this meant that the Germans were totally more advanced and capable of learning how to operate these vehicles and go out in space with the Reptilian naval groups and operate with them in the galaxy, essentially doing what Germany was going to do to this planet, which was essentially to take out the people they didn't want on the planet and make the rest of them their slaves.

Rense: Kind of like the Soviet Communists were planning on doing.

Tompkins: Exactly. But the big difference here is that when we got involved in it, it's like when I was working for Admiral Rikibana in 1942, and he had these 29 top Navy operatives, spies, in Germany. And they had been there at least a year before I got into it.

Rense: Uh huh.

Tompkins: They came back as quickly as they could as they got new information.

Rense: Now this is an amazing penetration that American intelligence was able to somehow get, obviously, men who were fluent in German, and got credentials and papers to get them somehow placed in positions of extreme importance in the Third Reich.

Tompkins: They were Naval operatives – Naval spies. And these fellas were brilliant. And so they got into most of the areas in Germany and the occupied countries. They found out about all of these things that were going to take place where Germany then would have UFOs with speeds capable of . . . close to the speed of light.

They had weapons which were so advanced there was nothing that we had here in the United States . . . had any idea of it. So the Germans quickly got themselves . . . put these vehicles in production. And unlike the United States, we had to take the information that the Navy operatives gave us, disseminate it out to all of the top-secret organizations in the United States – Navy facilities, universities, Cal-Tech, JPL, all of Lockheed, Douglas, Boeing. Everybody got packages, okay?

But our position was totally different than the Germans. And several years went by before there were two UFOs that even crashed and that we could look at them.

Rense: Yeah, 1947.

Tompkins: That's right. And so it's extremely interesting that we had to try to reverse engineer everything in those UFOs that were crashed. This took us years.

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Rense: Yeah, the Germans didn't have that obstacle. But there are, obviously, people out there right now that are saying, “What the heck? If they had this technology, how did they lose the war?”

Tompkins: Okay. That's an extremely good question. The easiest way to answer it is that they actually did not lose the war. We didn't win the war. What happened was the Germans were contacted by all of the U.S. Navy and all of the military intelligence groups in the United States. They went in and made arrangements to take a substantial number of German scientists and bring them to the United States. It was called the Paperclip Project.

Rense: Yes, thousands of them. Yeah, there were lots of them.

Tompkins: It wasn't like there were 6 or 7 of them. Like you said, there were hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. Now, these Germans, then actually were assigned into the thing called NASA. And they essentially made up 80~90% of NASA. But that was just the first stop.

Rense: Wow!

Tompkins: They continued to distribute out to every top U.S. bio-medical and systems corporations that were in aerospace. They then worked in these companies and they worked to the extent that they took over the finance of these companies. And, of course, the Bilderberg and the Trilateral were all involved in this.

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But the point is that Germany had four years before they lost the war, they decided that this tremendous opportunity that was given to them to have all of these advanced space systems, they said, “We're going to move into Antarctica.” And at that particular time the Reptilians, extraterrestrials, had three large caverns under the ground, under the ice, down in Antarctica. And they had two small ones.

And so they gave the two small ones to the SS and they then made arrangements so that the Germans would design and build massive submarines as transports. They had no torpedoes on board. They were just large transports.

Rense: Right. Right.

Tompkins: And they started moving the top UFO construction, because Germany went into the construction of these various types of UFOs that were given to them. They started taking this four years before the war ended.

Rense: Really?

Tompkins: So they had a massive number of slaves – slave labor – that they moved down there too. And the families for all of the German SS went down there with them.

Rense: Well, these caverns . . . now I have footage of the original 1938-39 German expedition to Antarctica.

Tompkins: Yes.

Rense: Now, that trip, as you know, was captured on film and brought back and then certainly a screened version of it was edited and released to German movie houses. It was like a newsreel. It was like a 10-12 minute piece of film that showed the German exploration and research ships going down to Antarctica.

Tompkins: Yes.

Rense: Now, my question is, in these films are some snapshots of gigantic underground caverns. I'm going to pull all these out of the films. They're old and grainy, but they're still watchable. They have Wagnerian music, a little bit of a soundtrack from a narrator here and there. But it's a remarkable thing to see, because this is what they admitted finding in Antarctica, and my question is, Bill, how did they go down there to this continent of ice and find these caverns just out of the blue on this trip down there? They had to be shown where they were. Had to be.

Tompkins: Exactly. And they were shown where they were with the Reptilian extraterrestrial people.

Rense: Right.

Tompkins: Those caverns actually, they were like massive countries.

Rense: Well, the pictures I have . . . There are maybe, I'm going to guess like a third to a half a mile across, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of feet tall – enormous caverns under the ice. No ice to be seen. Running water. Perfectly habitable.

Tompkins: Yes. And right next to them were these three massive caverns.

Rense: I believe it. I believe it.

Tompkins: Really. And so what took place then is that as we were the 8th Air Force and the British were picking Germany off in the bombings, we were like minutes, not years, from losing that war. But it didn't make any difference to Germany because not just Hitler and his girlfriend went to South America, and so did many of the Germans

Rense: Bohrman, Mengele, yeah, there were lots of them down there. Thousands.

Tompkins: And so this whole thing all took place. They infiltrated our aerospace and our advanced medical systems here in the country, and, essentially, they got NASA, which then, of course, they were running, to the Apollo missions, which were German missions, before they left Germany and went to Antarctica. That's what Germany was doing.

Rense: Right.

Tompkins: So they came over here and they did the same thing here. I don't think we sit down and sort of evaluate the timeline of all of this. I think it's kind of hard to believe you didn't win the war. And it's very hard to realize even today that this is still a major controlling element in the United States. And actually in England too.

Rense: Uh huh.

Tompkins: It's crazy.

Rense: Yeah. Extraordinary. Let me pause now and say 'Hello' to Maj. George Filer, who is standing by now and has been listening in very quietly. Hello, George. Welcome back.

Maj. George Filer: ___ back there yesterday, so I'm happy to be back again.

Rense: Yeah. Pretty amazing material that Bill Tompkins is presenting, and Frank Chille, who made this possible tonight again for scheduling, thank you, sir. Welcome.

Frank Chille: There's some great stories that Bill can share with us based on those photos I sent to you. He's probably told you that that German disk is 250 feet in diameter.

Rense: Yeah, we're going to go look at those right now. Bill, are you near a computer?

Tompkins: Yes.

Rense: Okay, do you know how to get to my homepage?

Tompkins: No, I don't. So we should leave that part out for now so we don't have to take the time to go through that.

Rense: Okay. Well, maybe at the bottom of the hour we'll get you on that page so you can see the photographs and then we can talk about it after the break.

Tompkins: Okay.

Chille: I provided him with hard copies of them.

Rense: Oh, great. Then you've got pictures then, hard copies, Bill, so we'll do it after the break, anyway. Now, Antarctica. Advanced technology. NASA – a German operation. The Germans put us in space. The Germans took us to the moon, if we went to the moon and most people think we did.

Tompkins: We did.

Rense: They absolutely were behind the construction, and Bill was a designer of some of these enormous space ships. There's no other word for them. They were constructed apparently either in pieces down here or built in space. What was the truth of it, Bill?

Tompkins: Are we talking about Solar Warden?

Rense: Yes.

Tompkins: Okay. The designs for some of these were at the Douglas Santa Monica engineering facilities in the secret think tank.

Rense: What years would that have been, Bill? Excuse me. What years approximately would that have been?

Tompkins: That was '42, '46. That time period.

Rense: Okay. So that's during the war, folks. They were designing spacecraft at Douglas Aircraft during the war years. All right.

Tompkins: And, of course, we were using the information that the . . . in Admiral Rikibana's office. He was commander of the Naval Air Station in San Diego and I was his published ___ Nobody knew what he was actually doing with these operatives coming back from Germany with all this space information.

Rense: Right.

Tompkins: So then later on I went to work for Douglas in the secret think tank. And one of the interesting things is one of the packages, a proposal package, that I flew around the country on for all this information to be disseminated to the aerospace organizations, I found one of my own packages that I had done 10 years, 12 years before and given to Douglas.

Rense: Wow. I'll be darn.

Tompkins: Crazy.

Rense: That is crazy. Okay. So, my question about these enormous craft for . . . you heard Bill mention it. And if you didn't understand, it was Solar Warden. Like the man who runs a prison - a protector, a guard. Solar Warden is the name of the program. These big craft that were built, how were they constructed and where were they constructed. That's the big deal. Were they constructed down here and flown into space? Must have been.

Tompkins: Okay. No, they were not.

Rense: Ah, well, see. There ya go.

Tompkins: Okay. One of the facilities that was used is east of the Wasatch Mountains in Utah. This was a very, very large cavern. It has smaller ones adjacent to it, but it's a massive one. And they were able to put together Lockheed space systems, Northrop-Grumman facilities, and even Boeing were involved in the actual construction of these kilometer-long spacecraft carriers that the Navy now has eight of these spacecraft carrier battle groups out in the galaxy.

I don't know the actual mission right now, but for most of the periods the first ones were built and went out into the galaxy because they were built here. They were operating with only one of the eight who operated around the solar system. The others were out in the galaxy jointly operating missions against Reptilians and other bad people, but jointly working with the Nordic Navy, and who were the people that had been assisting at least us on the Apollo.

Rense: Uh huh.

Tompkins: So the actual vehicles are built somewhat like an aircraft-type thing, aircraft carrier, and it's interesting that Northrop, Northrop-Grumman, they put together a program where they went back to Virginia and they bought the largest aircraft carrier construction facility on the planet.

They bought this so that they could have their engineers come in there and work with all of the Navy construction and engineering people that built the aircraft carriers.

Rense: So this was a huge shipyard construction location. It has to be.

Tompkins: Yeah.

Rense: They float the completed vessels into some water somewhere. Okay.

Tompkins: So this is Newport News shipyard in Virginia.

Rense: Got it.

Tompkins: And so they then had their people, the Grumman people, study with the Navy engineers, designers of all the areas of an aircraft carrier. And surprisingly enough, Newport News also builds Navy submarines.

And at Douglas, in the secret think tank, we were looking at every type of space vehicle we would need to go out into the galaxy, then our U.S. Navy. So submarines came up and we discussed this. We said, “That's the easiest thing, the quickest way, we can get out there. We'll just take a regular Navy submarine, pull out the whole nuclear system, put in the anti-gravitational system, and we're going to use these right away.”

Rense: So this was in the 1950s.

Tompkins: Yes.

Rense: All right. This is . . . I was going to ask about propulsion, so we were given or otherwise back engineered anti-gravitational propulsion systems, which went into the actual submarine that was being built. Very simple conversion actually. Very smart.

Tompkins: Yes.

Rense: Hold on now, Bill. We have to pause for just a couple of minutes. We'll come right back with Bill Tompkins. His book is “Selected by Extraterrestrials”, volume one of maybe four volumes coming. And you can get that right on your screen just by clicking on Bill Tompkins name and guests. Take a look. Don't dismiss all this stuff, folks. Where there's smoke there's fire. Remember that. Back in a couple minutes. Hold on.

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Rense: Okay, let's get right back to our guest Mr. Bill Tompkins. Anything you want to add to this George Filer in this first half hour we've done with Bill tonight?

George Filer: Well, I've been in the Newport News shipyard on aircraft carriers and submarines. I guess you could, theoretically, put in an anti-gravitational system on there and have it work as a spaceship.

Rense: Could you build something as large as an aircraft carrier, in your opinion, in that shipyard without it drawing a lot of attention? What would you do, make it look like . . . I'll ask Bill this in a couple of minutes. Would you make it look like a carrier or would you make it look like a spaceship? What would you do?

Filer: Well, some of those areas are kind of blocked off. In other words, it would take a certain group of men that . . .

Rense: Yeah, you'd have to fly over it, which would be restricted air space, I would think.

Filer: Or you could launch . . . You know, they launch and then they work on them later and sometimes in another place.

Rense: So building a large ship like a carrier at Newport News it could easily have given way to all the construction support and technology needed to build something else entirely in one of those big . . . we'll call them a bay that they will build something in. All right, good, George. Frank, anything you want to pop in here with?
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