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  Roaring Lovely July 15, 2016 at 5:28pm

  Wings, good explanation.:) if chi etc could not obey some laws, our world could easily end in a bang. Physicists understand very well the teleology like aspect of our conservative laws. In an hypothetical world where energy could just come from thin air, they never leaved to discover the laws. It is a sort of 'cosmic natural selection'.
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    Feather Winger > Roaring Lovely July 15, 2016 at 6:08pm

    It doesn´t need to come from anywhere for chi is the basic energy that makes up the universe...it is everything and nothing.  So far as I can tell it is the ether of the space and pervades and creates the universe.  It is like the clay that all the different pottery is made from.  The chi becomes denser and creates air, fire, water and earth...then all other things come out from the combination of these elements. There are dense and subtle forms of each element...for example fire is both intelligence and sight.  Ether is a bit firey, too for it is electric.  We can work with anything  using this kind of energy work....the cosmic energies, the energies of the earth and of the body...upgrade our food, plants..pretty much anything.  In the body it is important the way this energy flows...i it gets blocked, polluted or out of balance, then we get sick.  How it flows also affects our thinking, and conversely our thinking affects the flow.  I do believe that planets and stars and universe can be created with or thinking....in the higher less dense realms.  We are stuck here on this dense plane till we learn not to be so negative....imagine how it would be if all our thoughts came true..    When the basic rule of energy work is that ´´energy follows thought´´there really are no limitations.   Now it is up to you to do the math and figure out the details of how this mysterious and amazing universe works..

    I would call Illusionists artists instead of scientists....
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  Acute Observer July 15, 2016 at 3:56pm

  I've seen this guy before. He's a skilled illusionist, but that's all he is.
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  Roaring Lovely July 15, 2016 at 3:36pm

  You said exactly what I had thought of. The experiment ignored that not everyone necesarily emit a field strong enough off their hands. But its not much their fault. People generaly tend to think that you know if it is magic, then everything can happen so they care less to create the right condition for the 'magic'. But I don't tend to think so. It is more reasonable to suppose that 'magic' is science on its own. It must be obeying some yet unknown laws. It is such explanation of how 'chi' might work that should guide a researcher to the right experiment. Such things happen in science. Faraday had to perform 16000 or so experiments to discover electromagnetic induction. One problem is that he was working with a wrong idea as to how a magnet should produce electricity. Thats why it took him 5 years.
  
  Many people have independently arrived at conclusion that hands do carry some 'power'. Christians practice 'laying hands' while praying for the sick. My grandfather, who knew no christianity, never allowed anyone to touch his head.
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    Feather Winger > Roaring Lovely July 15, 2016 at 4:25pm

    Roaring,,,Energy work and psychic abilities follow certain rules....this is a science that has been explored deeply in the East and things like tantric meditation, hatha yoga, ayurvedic medicine, tibetan and chinese medicine, chakra work,martial arts, and the many forms of energetic healing all use this science. Working with chi is very easy, you just tell it what you want it to do...energy follows thought.  We all work with chi everyday without knowing it, mostly people send themselves fearful ideas,,,far of terrorism, fear of old age, sickness and death, fear of failure, fear of success, fear of others,etc.  The labels we use for ourselves and others and limiting belief systems of lack and struggle are all part of the way we program ourselves and our energy.  When we take conscious control of our lives and thinking we can change these old programs to health, abundance, freedom with no limitations. Moving forward with conscious evolution..  You can do the math on this...all words and thoughts have a frequency, we are simply choosing the higher one.
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  Roaring Lovely July 15, 2016 at 11:48am

  Emily Rosa (not Roza) is that, I think lady now, who did experiments in Therapeutic touches at the age of 9.
  
  Notice that I invoked quantum coherence above to suggest how magics can be manifest. Based on my experience in mathematical phyc, a good theory of a phenomena is advisable before we perform empirical test on it. This is because in the theory are we able to discern whether a given explanation for null result is a genuine or an ad oc. Take for instance relativistic length contraction. If someone just claimed that rulers surreptitiously contract as we travel, then we test it in classic scale and find non, the following explanation that the effect of contraction is too small to notice will appear like and ad-oc. However with a good theory before the test, we can identify experiments that will not prove anything a priori. But 'magicians' haven't yet understood this and they tend to shun theory.
  
  Now lets consider the claim that skeptism decoheres the quantum state. It is a good argument if you accept the explanation above, which recognise that magics do happen regularly in microscopic scales and only decoheres at the macroscopic scale due to absence of the power of mind to guide the behaviour at the subatomic level. It is the theory of quantum mind, such as that of Hamerrof-Penrose that links quantum coherence with mind and also state that the 'collaps of wavefunction' indead can be guided by the mind. With such theories, we can even test the effect INDIRECTLY such as finding quantum coherent waves in microtubules or photosynthesis quantum coherence. Without theory of how a phenomena works, we can't device indirect tests nor even understand how to intentionally manifest the effect and/or how to enhance it.
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    Feather Winger > Roaring Lovely July 15, 2016 at 2:44pm

    I found emily rosa  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_Rosa     I would say that her experiment proved that they could not feel her energy from her hand was all..  It is different for me to feel someones energy field by interacting with it using my hands...or to try to feel energy coming from their hands.  Rosa did not have much chi flowing from her hands, while those that do energy healing work do have much more chi flowing from their hands as have been shown in kirilian photographs.  Energy healers have their hand and fingertip chakras activated and the pranic/chi channel that runs down the body is opened and enlarged, this allows unlimited chi to flow into the body and out the hands.. We can also be in a give or take mode for energy, perhaps rosa did not do anything to get her energy flowing outward first..

    http://www.isabellapetri.de/Biophysical%20Experiments.html

    

    Emily Rosa

    Emily Rosa (born February 6, 1987) is the youngest person to have a research paper published in a peer reviewed medical journal. At age nine Rosa con…
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  Roaring Lovely July 14, 2016 at 5:21pm

  Wings, how about Emily Roza?;-)
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    Feather Winger > Roaring Lovely July 15, 2016 at 8:33am

    Roaring.......skepticism of the observers prevents quantum coherence with psychics but not for illusionists.   So, when Randi and his 3 skeptical judges blocked the psychics they tested it might have proved that they were psychics and not illusionists.  Who is emily roza...can´t find her..
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  AlternateEarth July 14, 2016 at 2:29pm

  I think the bread thing might be camera tricks-the two people watching in the restaurant seem a like actors