What exactly is 4D?

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Permalink Reply by tentinyturtles on February 11, 2012 at 4:09am

4d is time. it feels from my experience very astral, and wonder where is the bridge between 4d and 5d. 4d feels like it runs on a gradient and with emotions feels somewhat intense....maybe the gradient is from 3d to 4d and that makes the emotions seem more intense. I think they are right about 5d being about thought manifesting and creating from the mind. I felt once which I can only describe as wonderful pink mercy energy and I attribute that to 5d. I have also felt multidimensional where it felt like many layers where overlapping at once and the birds even seemed to smile at me, it was intimate....i think that is 5d....keep trying to get back to those states of consciousness....

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Permalink Reply by 0akbftgduerej on February 11, 2012 at 4:35am

the mutable "d" word, do you mean dimension or density, or dimension

there are the physical dimensions legth width height time and whatever else they go to up till the 10th dimension for that line of thinking

then there are dimensions, like heaven hell astral plane, abyssal planes etc etc etc

then there are densities relating to vibration/light

for physical dimensions 4d is time

for dimensions 4d is like hell where 4d is bad 5d is good

for densities it depends on whose system you are following but the general best modern description coming from the law of one series states that each density is an octave in itself, so we are in 3d, 3d has 7 levels to advance through before going to 4d, once all 7ds are complete you move to the next octave, this is where the andromedan belief that we are the paa-tall, the creators of all , comes from, when you complete this octave you leave a part of your soul here to guide your soul here through this octave, because you are everywhere in time with yourself,

anyway in this system 1d is inanimate objects and elements, fire water etc, rocks minerals etc, they are still essentially one with source, then animals and plants are 2d they are souls learning about separation however they still function as a unit , 3d where we are is supposedly the law of confusion, this is the first time we are truly "spearated" from source as we are completely individualized from source yet still part of all. so the goal here is to complete chakra work for this density and its sub density, then onto 4d, which is love and understanding or compassion( note this density is NOT all dark as proposed by many systems, those systems are actually referring to dimensional systems rather than density systems), go through that to 5d, which is wisdom, then onto 6d, is unity, unifying wisdom and compassion, then yer outta here onto the next whatever where you already are cause you are everywhen

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Permalink Reply by Sirgalahadwizard on February 11, 2012 at 4:59am

4D means that we would be living in a world where Every Person on it is 4th Dimensional in their Spirituality.

It would mean a change in human nature.

It would mean every person on this planet has the ability to be Compassionate and have Empathy for others. The result would be a world where other people help each other out.

The rat race would be over, forever. Businesses would keep their customers in mind at least as much as their own profits.

 

5D would mean that we would be living in a world where Every Person on it is 5th Dimensional in their Spirituality.

It would mean the above, but it would also mean that every person also answered to their Personal Integrity, they would have an inherent sense of right and wrong. They wouldn't need Laws to tell them which things are not right to do (though we would still have laws). There would be very little crime, there would be few lies.

Everybody would inherently be working for the better good.

 

Those who are called Indigo Children (or adults) are already 5D out of the box. Those who are called Crystal Children (or adults) are 6D before they're even born.

The scale goes all the way up to 12D.

 

 

Right now there are people on this planet ranging from 3D all the way up to 12D...

But I think what we are talking about with "Are we in 4D yet... are we in 5D yet..." has to do with Our Society in general. The whole Mass Consciousness. Everyone.

There are some of us that are very high vibrating, but that is merely averaged with the vibration of everyone else when it comes to the Whole.

 

We are coming close to 4D in our society... as an overall tally I would say its like 3.8 or something.

When it hits 4D for the entire society... thats a Tipping Point.

The 2012 Event (12/21/2012) will probably force an immediate jump to 5D.

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Permalink Reply by Ashim on February 11, 2012 at 12:15pm

4th density is the non physical gateway into the 5th dimension of fine matter.

4d is divided into negative and positive polarities.

4d exists in time/space. The movie Defending your Life explains the concept well. 4d positive or Terra Nova is the unified field of the 3rd density sphere in full green ray.

When you dream you access the lower astral planes of 4th density.

These planes represent glamour, ilussion and a distorted version of reality.

As duality has already gone into stasis - the point of the pendulum where there is no motion - the astral and higher etheric planes of the planet are merging. This causes extreme polarization.

Some humans will not immediately make this jump into a higher frequency band.

This will have been planned by your higher self prior to incarnation here.

Some people may develop debillitating diseases and 'die'.

Others will live out their lives they way they intended to do, learning the lessons of life and using the catalyst provided to accelerate their soul growth.

To enter into the Golden Age of mankind we must be at a polarity of 51%+. These are the conditions the Creator has set for us in order to progress as a full member of the Federation of Light.

We must be able to love each other unconditionally.

This has been the great battle of light against dark, the so called Polarity Intergration Game.

For the light to enter all of darkness we just need to love our selves and other selves a little more.

Our Galactic Families are joyous about being able to shortly interact with many of us personally.

Please do check out the work of the Federation.

This may be of interest to you.

Thank you Bryan.

www.bryandeflores.com

Check out the movie k-pax. Lots of great clues for the searching mind in the work of Gene Brewer.

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Permalink Reply by Kalindi on February 11, 2012 at 7:45pm

I agree.

And about stability, I would say "4D" is very changeable, like dreams and emotions, while "5D" (at least the higher planes of "5D") is stable, a little like mature, compassionate Love is, compared to needy, greedy, passionate "love", which is a "4D"-emotion.

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Permalink Reply by Kalindi on February 12, 2012 at 2:12pm

Hi there, Bolt  =)

 

Density is a better word here than dimension, since the word dimension is used as a geometrical and mathematical parameter, and that is not what these layers are about.

4D can be described as "emotional matter", since our emotional mind are made of this matter. It is a body somewhat bigger than the physical body, and some people can see how it glows in different colors. When we have a feeling, and direct it toward somebody, a cloud of this matter moves to the other person and is absorbed in his/her mind and reverberates there. The lower layers of this matter are feelings of fear and hate, and the higher layers are affectionate love.

 

5D can be called "thought matter", but not what we normally call thoughts, which are words and conceptions that moves around in our 4D mind. Instead, 5D "thought" is much more subtle and elevated, more like an intentional, creative matrix that concieves the 4D shapes (that the 3D matter fills with physical atoms) when we consciously or unconsciously create our existence (as we do all the time).

About the 1/7 planes: each main sort of matter like 3D, 4D, 5D and so on, is made up of 7 layers (or 6, depending on how you define the highest layer in each group)

For example in physical matter, it is only the three lowest layers that builds what we call "atoms". The higher 3D levels builds the etheric body, which is the "life airs", the invisible currents of life that can be treated with acupuncture, for example. Also, phantom limbs are made of etherical matter. (And ghosts...)

In 4D there are 7 (6) layers of emotional matter, each corresponding to a basic feeling.

In 5D, the three lowest layers belong to humans, and there are detailed descriptions of them. The higher 5D matter worlds are "angelic", as is 6-9D matter realms, but the human brain cannot understand the qualities of these worlds, but they can of course be "understood" intuitively.

 

I would say that the next plane for us now is higher 5D ("angelic realms"), and that we right now are "just" letting go of the lower emotions (fear and hate) as we move up through 4D, getting firmly established in the highest feelings of kindness and compassion, from where we easily can take the step to the "angelic realm".

 

Love and Hugs

Kalindi

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Kalindi on February 12, 2012 at 8:10pm

The lower 5D layers are very advanced, human intelligence.

5D is very far from fantasy. 4D can be called fantasy, in a good way, and "fantasy books" deal with 4D things. 5D is mature,compassionate love and kindness, and crystal clear intelligence, but it is the heart's intelligence, not the brain's.

I say "angelic" because it is an easy way to describe a human being filled with unconditional, compassionate love and spiritual intelligence.

No wings, if they don't have a bird-loke body, which is quite common.

Their abodes are perfect nature and "cities of light".

You will arrive in to 5D automatically as soon as you have released all lower emotions completely, and you are in perfect control of the remaining, higher feelings. ("Arrive" meaning your consciousness have expanded into the 5D realm, and you have disconnected it from the lower realms, although you can still "watch" events in 3D and 4D)

Inside Earth are communities of 4D matter and higher.

You "pass through" 4D by raising your consciousness ("vibrations"), always turning off the lower vibrations and boosting the higher. ("Throwing the wood in the right fire", so to speak)

Hope this helps a bit.

Time for bed, good night.

Love

Kalindi

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Permalink Reply by Kalindi on February 17, 2012 at 7:34am

Hi again, Bolt.

I would say that this was a 4D experience. It is a real world, only with a lighter type of matter than in this physical reality.

So in this world you got information and inspiration about your coming life in the new world we are creating in 5D and up.

Gradually, you will not need the 4D experiences to get inspiration. You will create 5D reality directly from your heart, and then step in to that creation.

4D is a basic ingredient in our present (old world) reality, but it is not a part of the new.

 Staying in 4D is like being addicted to a drug. It feels nice to go away from 3D for a while, but it is not a place to stay in permanently. It is like a bridge -- pass over it, but don't build a house there.

Love

Kalindi

PS All Castanedas books are good, but I like the first 3 or 4 best....=) 

 

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Permalink Reply by Pet Rock on February 11, 2012 at 8:46pm

There is a watery veil between this 3d world and the next 4d world.  Those of us who have passed away and 'walked' into young bodies are there as well as people who live there and reincarnate.  They are aware of this phenomenon unlike us in 3d who are asleep or just can't comprehend what's going on for a myriad of reasons like dark influences from spirit worlds called 'the shells' These spirits feed off our energy in this 3d world -it's complicated

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Permalink Reply by tentinyturtles on February 11, 2012 at 8:51pm

the watery veil between 3d and 4d....I think that between 3d and 4d a lot of growth takes place (a spiritual maturation) where purification takes place with the transmuting of emotions to higher vibrations and that is why it feels so intense.....5d and higher makes me think of eating cake....

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Permalink Reply by tentinyturtles on February 11, 2012 at 11:52pm

Well. Because of how enjoyable it is....

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Permalink Reply by MasterofLight on February 11, 2012 at 10:10pm

As Ashim explained it 4D is a level of vibration. When we go into Alpha or Theta state of mind we are accessing

4D consciousness.

The planet is also increasing its consciousness.Ideally, the entire population would increase its consciousness and its frequency with the Schumann resonance of the planet. At least 51% is needed, and this is why many are here. 

The more the individual chooses unconditional love, the greater the collective energy shifts to higher octaves..

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