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Permalink Reply by Eye of Change on June 11, 2012 at 1:59pm I was just about to write that, i mean why eat plants are they not living to?
When we pick them out of the ground they as well will be killed in violence so how is this different then eating meat?
I say though i never eat Halan meat, they way the muslim kill the animal is just painfull, i mean they slice they throat and leave them to die, so that's about a 1 min where they suffer :-(
Permalink Reply by Hollie on June 11, 2012 at 2:05pm It is different than eating meat because there is no suffering involved.. Just go to a slaughterhouse, then visit a farm where plants are harvested, I think the difference is quite obvious. Besides that, plants don't feel the pain that animals do as there is no point for it, they cannot stop what is being done to them.
Also, there is a lot of waste involved in raising animals, as not just the animals have to be raised but their feed as well, which comes from plants.. It takes quite a bit more land to produce the same amount of food from animals.
Permalink Reply by Eye of Change on June 11, 2012 at 2:11pm But how do you know that plants don't suffer when you pick them out of the ground?
I can't see any difference between eating meat and eating plants...:(
well at least they don't cry... i feel much better now i stop eating meat years ago..
Permalink Reply by Hollie on June 11, 2012 at 2:50pm When animals are raised to be eaten, plants have to be raised and killed in order to feed them, so you're not only causing animals to suffer by eating them, but the plants they ate as well... Regardless of whether or not they suffer, it's clearly more damaging to be eating animals, especially considering how they are forced to live throughout their lifespan. If you actually look for the difference in eating plants vs animals instead of trying to justify eating meat by pretending it's not there, you will see one.
Think about what you are saying for a second. You say dont eat animals because we have to feed them plants. But you are saying for humans to eat only plants, the same plants that you say need to be saved from being eaten by animals.
Permalink Reply by Hollie on June 11, 2012 at 2:59pm Also, eating plants creates your own fertilizer that you can then give back to the earth to sustain and build new plant life. It is much more sustainable than raising meat for consumption.
The reason vegetarians eat plants is related to the annular process of Plants. Most plants are eaten when they are approaching their demise... meaning when they are fully matured.
Some people also argue that plants do not possess a nervous system, hence pain is not possible for them on a physical basis. Emotional pain however is another thing. An indian scientist Dr. Jagdish Chandra Bose has conducted many experiments, that show otherwise. Though a plant does not have a brain per say the feelings apparently are transmitted through the length of the plant. The stomatas help in this.
A great link to read more on Dr. Bose's expts would be - http://www.viewzone.com/plants.html
For the record, I come from a non-vegetarian family, but have been a vegetarian my whole life. :)) could never stand the smell of death around me, and always gave a lot of trouble to my mum, who did all she could to make me eat meat and fish and then gave up. Finally thanks to my persistence and also fervant prayers my whole family turned vegetarian by the time i finished college.
I think what you eat should be a personal choice, and the people around you should respect that. Personally though I've always known that my stomach would never want to be a graveyard for animals.
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hehe, fruits is a result for you and animals to consume, you don't eat the tree or plant.. eating the fruit doesn't kill the plant ;)
English is not my native language, i hope you understand what i mean :P nice photo
Permalink Reply by Assiya on June 18, 2012 at 3:38pm well, I guess that letting delish fruits and vegetables rot and go to waste unused for food is a fitting option or you were just sarcastic with that picture~!~
Permalink Reply by BentBuddha on June 11, 2012 at 4:40pm When Christ walked the earth, he ate meat. Hitler was a vegetarian. This debate over meat being non spiritual is silly.
We need animals for ultimate health. We should respect their role and treat them with reverence. That means pasture raised with no hormones or poisons. Totally natural. Vegetarianism was created by monks to suppress sexuality for it's effects on the hormones. It made it easier to live the monastic life. However it's unatural for our bodies long term. Animals aren't some low life to be ashamed of. Saying 'you remain less than an animal' is very egoistic and comes from a position of imagined superiority and ignorance. There is only One Being, in service to itself. Life giving life to Life in countless forms. Plants, insects, microbes, animals etc.
Once upon a time I believed this vegetarian propaganda and repeated it to others self righteously like you do. Never would I have imagined that 16yrs later on this spiritual path, that I'd see eating meat as inclusive to the spiritual life. So many cultures who were in tune with Life, ate meat. The American Indian culture is a great example - even tho only one of many. So much wisdom from a people totally in harmony with their land and the 'Great Spirit'.
If you're going to choose the vegetarian life, that's great for you. Plz refrain from telling others that their choice of diet is non spiritual as it's simply not true
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