It's time to start separating beliefs from truth

It's time to start separating beliefs from truth. I see basically everyone spout out something like they know it's the truth, when it's only a belief at best. And I've been there too, I've made that mistake. Where I would think my beliefs are true, because they make sense to me. But as we grow further in integrity, we come to realize that, they were simply beliefs. Unless we truly know something, or present something that is clearly demonstratable, they exist as a belief, an opinion, an idea.

And I've seen in my life, and on this site, and according to my research into history...that conflicting belief systems are source of alot of conflict that doesn't need to happen. Like on this site even, people get trashed, and insulted, and made to feel low, because they simply hold a different belief system than someone else. And egos like to think their beliefs are true. And anyone who doesn't share that belief, in some way, must be wrong.

I think to stay in true integrity, we need to acknowledge to ourselves...that our beliefs are just beliefs, prone to changes, prone to mistakes. And most of our beliefs are gleaned from second hand information at best. The only thing we TRULY know, is what we discover and come to understand within us, what we can clearly demonstrate is real and true, and what we experience and observe. Everything else, exists as a belief system, that may not be true.

And in order to stay true, and stay real, and stay in integrity...we need to acknowledge that. If we don't truly KNOW something....we need to acknowledge that this is just my opinion...and other people have a right to have a different opinion. It's okay to have beliefs, and opinions...most things are a belief system. I have many things that I believe based on years of research. Do I know what I believe is true, no. My beliefs are my beliefs. My knowing is knowing. And there's a difference and we need to be able to distinguish the difference. I think that would end alot of conflict, not just on this site, but in the world....and it would allow people to have true freedom of speech and expression, without other people jumping on them saying they're wrong.

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Permalink Reply by 1loi1i9evzzvt on April 7, 2012 at 4:19am

You are doing no better then what the Mormons are doing Jancar in this

To take your own slant on Spirituality and placing it onto the Mormons is no better then saying that you don't believe what they believe in and to them Spirituality maybe a bit weary

No of course they don't kno loew that his this is true or not, but what you are doing Jancar is taking anotter another belief and clouding it over towards your belief and that isn't fair either, just let them think what they want to think and don't mess with there minds like that, because that can be dangerous as well

I mean you can show them another way, and show them what Spirituality is, but you can't make them change there minds on it.

Again your belief is that the Mind is just an illusion.

Bless the Nite

April

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Permalink Reply by John Jancar on April 7, 2012 at 4:55am

No I understand how it's an illusion. It's not just a belief. I can understand it, from within. I know it, by self-knowledge and being aware of the nuances of mind. Our spirit, our heart, our soul..is what makes us human. Our mind is a tool.

It's like a robot. Robots, advanced ones, they can store information and even rationalize and problem solve. But, they're not real beings, because they don't have a heart, a soul, a spirit. That's what truly makes life alive. Having intelligence, doesn't equate to being alive. There's many brilliant machines that have artificial intelligence, more advanced than most humans. But what makes us human is our heart and soul and spirit, that's what our true essence is. That's why when we see a person who's truly alive and animated, we say, oh he is very spirited. Because the spirit is what makes us alive. The mind is a tool, ultimately, it's not our true self.

And I know this lol And if you notice, I'm being careful to distinguish between what I know, and what I think or believe. So I'll say, I think, or apparently, things like that, when I don't know something. The things I do know, I say concretely.

And...you know, I was talking about the religious people and how they think they KNOW they're right. I say, they believe, they don't know. It was an example to use of how people, can think they know something, but really it's a belief....because all religious traditions say they know it's the truth, and others are lesser truths or outright false...and they all say that lol They can't all be right.

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Permalink Reply by 1loi1i9evzzvt on April 7, 2012 at 12:27am

The only reason I had replied to this was because there was no talk about Oneness or butterfly kisses. Can we please keep it that and not add in anything that has to do with Channelings or religion or anything like that

Can we really keep to what Jancar was talking about, and not sugar coat this and get lost in a pile of waste, on something like the GFL or ET beings even

Bless the Nite

April

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Permalink Reply by John Jancar on April 7, 2012 at 2:02am

Well see, things like oneness, that's a truth, I think, that can only be truly known within. We can have channelings or other sources outside of us, tell us all day, about oneness. But until we truly discover that within us, it will exist as a belief, or an intuitive sense. And I believe in it, I think it's real, apparently science is now starting to prove in real tangible terms, that this idea of oneness that spiritualists and esoterists and sages and gurus and monks and shamans have been saying for thousands of years apparently, actually is true. You can go listen to David Wilcock or Gregg Braden, I'm sure they have more information to present than I do.

But as for, within me...I've discovered that there absolutely is such thing as empathy. I can put myself in other peoples shoes. So in that sense, oneness is truly real. I also know, that when it comes to music...the real way to perform music at a mastery, is to become one with the music. It's hard to describe lol It's to make that song, that sound, that music...part of you, and literally become the music. And that's something that Michael Jackson has said, and he's right. Same thing with Jim Carrey, who was a master impressionist, he could mold his face and voice to resemble basically anyone...he said, it's not just the face or voice, it's the feeling of becoming that person, there's a oneness there. And I think that goes for all forms of expression.

So there's alot of truth in the idea of oneness, that I know for sure is true. I believe, and I stress believe, the esoteric side...of we are all one, we are all God, and all of that. I won't say conclusively it's true though, until I discover it within me.

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Permalink Reply by 1loi1i9evzzvt on April 7, 2012 at 2:15am

There comes a time with Empathy where we don't have to be One with it. There comes a time when we have to say our bodies have had enough and we don't have to be One with this energy anymore. It is good to know what we are picking up on, and by the time we realize that we are picking up on an emotion we have to let it go at some point and say okay you, off with your energies and glad I could help, but it is time for this to go

I think though you might know that already, I don't know. We have a physical body, and when we are always One with with what we are picking up on, that is when it becomes hazardous to our physical bodies

Do you always want be One with something that you are picking up on and tuning into?

Yeah I get where you are coming from with Empathy Jancar, but honestly though. I to have become One with an emotion that I have picked up on, and have learned so much from that Emotion, but really had learned more when I could understand where the emotion was coming from as well

By far to be an Artist you should become One with it, but there also comes a time when an Artist will let go and say okay done with my creation, and now it is time to show the world what I had created and what it was like to be One with this

There is truth with Empaths out there, but how are Empaths going to know there own Truth when there are so many around them that lie about what they are picking up on

Bless the Nite

April

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Permalink Reply by Feather Winger on April 7, 2012 at 8:30am

Hi.....let me jump in here......Oneness means Divine Interconnectedness.......it is a sacred idea.....
It is also another way of understanding God......

April.......you dont get this point at alll.....you have made up your own definition of this word........

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Permalink Reply by 1loi1i9evzzvt on April 7, 2012 at 12:12pm

Your sister dies because someone took her life. Would really be saying this shit right now if someone you knew had there own life taken from them, by someone that wasn't feeling the oneness or anything like that

Would you really be saying this shit if you had experienced what it was like to have a loved one gone from you by someone who was saying shit like this, but yeah thats right you don't think they should be locked up in cages, so there for there is no need to protect people in this world from things like this

You think that people who commit crimes should be free as a bird, so there for if you are effected by something like that, then that means what you say about people locked away in cages, the same rules apply to you, and there for that means you have feelings at all about what you would be feeling like to see the person free as a bird that had killed a family member of yours hmmmm

This is rather interesting that people say shit like this all of the time, but it if the shoe was on the other foot, what would you be saying?

I know where Jancar comes from on things Feathered so don't sit there and say I don't know something when I do know, I have dealt with him on here before with things, and you saying shit like this just makes things worse, because you don't know either

I know that i don't have to be One with everyone on this fucking Planet, because that would be the stupidest thing, that anyone would be doing right now, merging there energies with everyone on this Planet would be about as low as you could go when it comes to Spirituality

There comes a time when you have to tell someone to stop sucking on your thumb, because you don't want to be One with there emotions and you want to stop feeling what they are feeling so tell them to get the fuck off from sucking that thumb of yours, and get there own feelings back

Bless the Nite

April

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Permalink Reply by Feather Winger on April 7, 2012 at 12:32pm

April.......you are missing the point....again.

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Permalink Reply by 1loi1i9evzzvt on April 7, 2012 at 12:42pm

Okay then to be in the state of Oneness means that you are in One with yourself and not others

It means that you are doing this stuff on your own, and you don't have any suckers that are merging there energies with your energy, because they don't have enough energy source to get through the day

It means that you know yourself and means that you understand where your Path is at, and that not everything in life is made out of candy dots or gummy bears

It also means that you have told the rest of the energy suckers out there to get there own source, and you don't have to send out your own energies to anyone to get to that state of Oneness

IT means that a person who has understood all of this is in the State of being One with who they are

It also means that we don't have to think like the rest out there to be in that State of Oneness, and we can still have our own thoughts and feeling, and we don't have to say that we have to free the ones who are there to hurt the innocent out there

Yeah we can be One with ourselves but still have our mind and not be Happy Happy Joy Joy with everyone else that wants to pretend that this world is a lovely place

Bless the Nite

April

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Permalink Reply by Feather Winger on April 7, 2012 at 12:58pm

April...oneness is divine interconnectedness........when you see how all the parts work together....thr parts are all different .......like a motor..all the parts are different.......but, when you put them together....you get something new...a motor that drives the car....
Lets try a better example....fractuals....Look at the Oneness
................ http://www.enchgallery.com/fractals/fracthumbs.htm

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Permalink Reply by 1loi1i9evzzvt on April 7, 2012 at 1:03pm

Ahhh so you don't like the idea of being One with just yourself then

You would rather be One with everyone else on this Planet, because a channeling has told you to be One with everyone

Yourself as a person doesn't matter after a while when you become One with everyone else

You start to lose yourself, and your motor is going to die after awhile, and run low, if you keep on getting lost with others who want to be One with your Kundalini energy system

Bless the Nite

April

Permalink Reply by John Jancar on April 7, 2012 at 2:16am

Also, when they say we are beings of pure love...I know that's true. I've discovered that place within me. I've discovered that my true, real, pure and authentic self...is pure love. I know that, for me it's true, and I'm sure it's true for everyone else. We really are beings of love. We don't realize it, we forget it, I forget it too...and get caught up in ego. But I do know that is true.

It's also true when they talk about balance and how to become balanced. When they say, to be light is to be balanced...that's true. When they say that what we call darkness and negativity, is what happens when you're out of balance, I know that's true too. I've discovered, for myself...by self-discovery and knowing myself...that alot of the spiritual stuff they talk about...really is true. It's beyond opinion for me, I know it's true. And I don't think I'm different than others, I think we all are inherently the same in nature, so I bet it'll be true for you too and you'll eventually discover it.