Is ascencion going to come at the end of the year?what do you think??

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Permalink Reply by 3r53q3gvow78q on July 16, 2012 at 8:48pm

yeah, I don't quite get that either.  Do we turn into a light body and then operate in the 5th dimension?  What about the whole "new earth" thing?

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ContributorPermalink Reply by Kelly Lightchalice on July 16, 2012 at 11:42pm

The new earth is the same but a higher vibration, that is a higher expression of itself...

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Permalink Reply by Patty on July 16, 2012 at 10:37pm

Reality is separating into two realities and it is our choice which one we follow.  There is the bad reality, or negative one I should say, in which all the bad things people are thinking about and talking about will manifest.  And there is also positive one.  The second reality will be happening simultaneously with the first, and both will taking place on the Earth.  The separation will consist of some people going into the 5th dimension yet also being present in the 3rd dimension, while others remain in the 3rd and are oblivious that some are conscious of the 5th.  Going into the 5th dimension is really the ability to perceive the 5th, not a matter of going anywhere.  This is the true meaning of the ascension.  And which one you experience is up to you.  Who goes with the positive reality and who goes with the negative one will be determined by where you put your focus. – Val Thor  (I paraphrased it into my words, but this is basically what he said.)

This reminds me of the words from the novel "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens which opens with the line, "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times."  This is the time we are going into, I think, when the worst times to ever occur on Earth (at least during this civilization) and the best times will be happening simultaneously.

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Permalink Reply by Two Feather on July 16, 2012 at 10:43pm

I have wondered about this concept too. Dolores Cannon speaks about a similar thing. I find her interesting to listen to and the fact she does not channel. She uses deep hypnosis to get this information.

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Permalink Reply by Vagelis4VP on July 16, 2012 at 11:03pm

@Patty.... i have heard that story too... but this is happening already .... some people meditate for peace and are positive, and some take guns, and go and kill other people, and thus being the negative ones... but they are both still here, on the same Earth...
do u say that once 21st of Dec. is here, the first group will just disappear from here, and on Earth will remain only the 2nd group to continue killing each other???...or what???.....when will this separation occur???

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Permalink Reply by Patty on July 16, 2012 at 11:55pm

No, not that some will disappear, but will be conscious of the fifth dimensional world or etheric world, which exists where we are now, but it exists at a higher frequency or density, and most are not aware of it (I believe higher frequency/density has to do with the rate of vibration of the electrons - they vibration at a higher rate, which means they jump into the next shell - so the atoms are bigger and have more empty space than atoms on this level, but this is totally another subject).  Once you are conscious of the next level, you are living  above this physical world.  Even though your physical body is still here, your consciousness is at the higher level, so you see the reality of unity consciousness, rather than believing in the illusion of duality, and since you create your world out of your consciousness, you will live above whatever may be happening here.   

You are more than your physical body, you have an astral body, an etheric body, etc, but most are only conscious from the physical body.  Ascension has to do with being conscious from the etheric body or Light body, and you can't get there when there is fear, anger hate in your heart, as those emotions bring down the vibration of your heart (and maybe of the electrons in your body - read that some place but can't say if it is true).

I don't know about anything specific happening in Dec 21, other then the planet will pass the Galactic Plane on that date. 

 

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Permalink Reply by Vagelis4VP on July 17, 2012 at 12:24am

im not talking about awareness of etheric worlds..im talking about ascension...i have a different definition for Ascension... perceiving other fields of awareness, is something that some people do, and have been doing for hundreds of years...but this is not ascension...  Ascension in my book means that u leave completely the 3D material state, (for good) and u enter fields of awareness which have non physical energy form... this is something completely different.... so, do u expect that people will leave this Earth for good at 21st of Dec???

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Permalink Reply by Patty on July 17, 2012 at 1:11am

I am not talking about awareness of the etheric world either, I am talking about habitation of it. 

Take Val as an example. He is a fully evolved human, and he has the ability to move up to the top level - some people call it the super-luminous world or implicit order and in Kabalah it is called Kether - and he can come all the way down to the physical world, and go to all the levels in between, at will. 

When we are fully evolved, we will also be able to go and inhabit which ever dimensional level we want, like we go to the store now.  According to Val we will never leave the physical world for good, as we will always have the ability to come to the 3D material state and eventually we will be able to do so at will.

We are moving up a notch during this phase, and we will be able to inhabit the 5th dimension and live from the light body, like we do physical body now - not merely be aware of the 5th dimension while we inhabit our 3D physical body - do you see the difference?  Eventually we will be able to increase the vibration of our physical body to where it appears to dematerialize (but it is really a matter of density).  But I don't expect it to happen all at once, I expect it to be a process.  So no I do not think people will leave this dimensional plane for good on Dec 21. 

The way Val explained it, some people will go into the 5th dimension while they are also present in the 3rd dimension, and others remain in the 3D world and will be totally oblivious that some are having a life in the 5th dimension.

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Permalink Reply by Vagelis4VP on July 17, 2012 at 1:27am

ok..good.... now u got it covered... i dont say that i believe that things are exactly as u say them to be.. but u gave your view on the basic question about the 21st of December...

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Permalink Reply by Two Feather on July 16, 2012 at 10:48pm

I don't think anyone knows really what's going to happen and we certainly cannot claim to know more than another on this subject. Especially those who feel the need to bag others for their beliefs which is just plain ridiculous as none of us really know. I take notice of what the ancient civilizations said as there is a universal message amongst them all. I do however lean towards Dolores Cannon for the fact her information comes from deep hypnosis and not channelling. Aside from that I will not claim I know any more than anyone else as I don't believe anyone really knows. Time will tell all.

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Permalink Reply by Vagelis4VP on July 17, 2012 at 1:18am

..not for all... because some people believe that "ascension" and "awakening process" are two completely different things... and they are both processes which have a limited life span that comes to an end, eventually...
awakening ends when one, wakes up... and ascension ends when one, ascends...

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Permalink Reply by Fence Sitter on July 17, 2012 at 2:08am

In a very real sense, what occurs on the 12-12-12 is the Ascension, and what takes place on December 21,2012 is the Initial Birthing Solstice of the New Earth. That is because the ‘mechanics’ of the actual ascending- process (that enables the Ascension) occurs on the 12-12-12.

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