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If what you believed turned out to be false, why would you believe in what you do?

Before I elaborate on my question, allow me to introduce myself. If you take a look at my profile, you can get a glimpse of what I am about. I am probably one of the few dissenting points of view on this website. I am an atheist, skeptic, and overall critic of any claims of the "supernatural" or "spiritual". As stated on my profile, my reason for being here is that it is part of an ongoing project of mine to explore different different faiths and different belief systems. I am active on many other forum websites. Much like the evolutionary tree of life that branches out in all different directions which produces all of the extant as well as extinct species on our planet, human irrationality and mental dysfunction produce delusional thought patterns that do the same. The delusions that humans invent branch out into different factions. By studying different view points, I hope to get a better understanding of what the environmental pressures are that drive people into different competing irrationalities and to learn more about the common threads that drive them. 

 

It needs to be said that when I refer to "delusional thought patterns" and "mental dysfunction" I am referring to ANYONE who believes in life after death scenarios, a "higher power" that created the universe, or anything that people commonly refer to as "spiritual" or "supernatural". If anyone reading my post get offended, don't feel bad, because by no means did I come on this website to pick on you guys only as the vast majority of humanity is no different from you. 

 

Ok, now with the intro out of the way, let's get down to the question. Like many new age philosophies, the beliefs of this website tend to be vague and not as well defined as a religion like say, Christianity or Islam. But from reading on this site and other new age sites and also watching some of the videos from this Ben Arion fellow who it looks like runs this site, I can suppose that most of you people share these beliefs in common, not only amongst yourselves but with many other faiths. 

 

1. You believe in a supreme being of some kind, a "god" that created the universe and all life.

2. You believe that life continues for each organism after it dies and that it takes on the form of a "spirit" or "ghost".

3. You believe in a punishment or reward that is administered by a "god" for doing "good" or "bad" deeds in life.

4. You believe in the infallibility and supremacy of the human species. From what I have read about "ascension" and the so called "galactic federation" ( which isn't a lot, but I get the gist of what they mean ) humans must have a very special on planet earth since they are the only ones intelligent enough to accomplish such feats. 

5. You believe that UFO sightings are evidence of advanced extraterrestrial beings visiting planet earth.

6. Last, and anything but least, you, like almost every other faith, believe that YOU are the "enlightened" ones who possess the "truth". 

 

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think I am pretty accurate in assessing your world views. Now I am not going to spend time on this post deconstructing each delusion. I will probably save those for future posts if I decide to post actively on this website. But I have a challenge for you the reader. Try to imagine a world in which everything else is the same, but your beliefs turned out to be nothing but delusions that are the product of your minds. My question is, why do you think you would believe such things if it turned out they were not true?

 

Theists ask me all the time what if there is a god, why would you reject him/her? Well the answer to that question is very simple. I simply wasn't given enough evidence to accept claims of the supernatural. Given the track record of supernatural beliefs and how they are debunked more and more by the scientific method when things thought to be supernatural in the past, such as thunder being the wrath of the gods and rainbows being produced by "supernatural"means, I simply had no good reason to accept claims of the supernatural and also no reason to think that claims of the supernatural would ever be true. So I would not feel stupid for having rejected supernatural claims even if I was shown solid evidence that it was true because I simply responded to the claims in the best way that I thought to at the time considering what I had to work with. Regardless of whether supernatural claims are true or not, atheism is the correct stance to take, at least until there is solid evidence to support the existence of the supernatural ( which I am very confident I will never see ).

The answer for why someone does not accept something as true is a pretty easy one to answer. However, the answer for why someone would believe something is true when it is not is far more complex and most people who hold something as true generally don't like to entertain, what is in their minds, a hypothetical that threatens their world view. I have asked the same question in real life to many Christians that I know and I almost never get a straight answer. I suspect they don't want to entertain the idea that there is no god or afterlife scenario because then they would have to admit to certain things that expose their belief system as being motivated by ideology and meaningless happenstances and not evidence. EG that belief in life after death is simply a coping mechanism for the fate that awaits every living thing after it dies, the experience of nothingness for all the rest of eternity (just the same state you were in before you were conceived of in you mother's womb) that Christian beliefs are arbitrarily passed down to you from the environment that you just happen to grow up in, etc.  

I posed this same question on a Christian forum website more than 2 days ago and so far have received no response. If there are any brave souls out there who want to take my challenge, I would love to hear from you. 

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G'afternoon. On some of my days or moments of disbelief, this passage from the bible helps straighten out confusion for me, "if you believe, no explanation necessary... etc

thanks :)

WHY JESUS MATTERS

Thomas Aquinas, an ancient follower of Jesus, once said, 'To those who believe, no explanation is necessary. To those who do not, no explanation will suffice.' It is always hard to try and explain why Jesus matters to someone who has no idea, when no explanation will suffice. It would seem that even trying would be futile yet it seems to be happening. The church continues to grow internationally and new people who have never heard the story hear and believe. So what is it they hear that compels them to embrace this far-out, bizarre story of this guy who comes to earth, claims to be the Son of God, dies by means of capital punishment, then purportedly rises from death, and yet they believe every word? Why believe at all?

Does Jesus make everything easier? Unfortunately, believing in Jesus does not eliminate credit card debt, assure the Cubs will win the series, or get you the man (or woman) of your dreams. In many ways, following Jesus makes things difficult. Suddenly the way you see the world changes and what was important disappears. A new way of thinking takes its place.

Besides, saying you believe is not always the most popular thing. Sometimes confessing your faith can make others see you differently. It may even change your relationship. However, following Jesus also means trusting in God to help make our way plain, to walk with us when we struggle, to help us when we grieve, and to celebrate when the Cubbies do win. Does this make things easier? I don’t know. But it certainly brings comfort to know I am not alone in this life, that I have a God who walks with me and loves me even in trouble.

Does following Jesus answer all your questions? Unfortunately, those who engage faith can find themselves with more questions than when they began. Following Jesus is not a “black and white,” “just do it this way,” “here are the rules” sort of life. It can be confusing and difficult. Black and white can easily become gray. But as we follow Jesus, he gives us room to wrestle. You see Jesus is the one doing the work. We are just doing our best to witness it. Our love is not dependent on what we know but on the fact that we are known by Jesus. Does this answer questions? Sometimes, but it can make believing easier when we realize that questions are OK.

So why Jesus? To be frank, I often ask the same question. It seems so odd God would confront the world through this 1st century Palestinian Jewish Rabbi. But God seems to know better than me. Don’t you see? Here we are, 2000 years later, and we are still talking about him. Somehow, this Jesus thing was the idea that changed everything. Somehow Jesus did make such a mark on the world that it cannot be ignored. For some reason, Jesus DOES matter.

Interested in asking more questions? Alright! Let’s wonder about this together. Come hang out with us, or visit ANY church for that matter, meet the people who gather there and see how Jesus may move into a deeper more intentional relationship in your life.

Jacob's Porch

just because I have never seen a ghost, doesn't mean I dont believe in ghosts.. same goes with God, aliens and most anything other than the tooth faery Santa Clause a truly honest lawyer/politician etc.

I think to understand the idea of God you would have to do more research into how the universe was created and think of it and everything in it as a whole.

If you are talking about a deity you must understand that we come from the stars, its scientifically proven so a representation of god in the flesh would be exactly that "IN THE FLESH"

To understand ghost I would recommend understanding how the energy systems work

we are all energy, condensed into mass compressed by gravity, a thought has no mass its energy is on another plane.

I think you are confused my friend try a new angle. Look up the laws of Hermes or The ancient secret of the flower of life. if you want to understand how the universe works and then go from there.

Learn how to tap into your pineal gland "third eye" if you want to understand spirituality, dont read a book.

Don't listen to this guy, I've had long diatribes with him via youtube messages, he's not interested in understanding viewpoint besides his own, the only reason someone like him would be here, is to stir up trouble and try to convince all of you that you're wrong.

Goldcoincollector...why are you on a site like this. Let people believe what they want to believe, even if you don't agree with it. Who are you to come into a spiritual community like this just to try and throw wrenches at people. Seriously, come off it already.

John, I agree it is only intellectual masturbation on his part....he is not really trying to understand anything....just playing games and wasting our time...and his. I say this because of his answers, too.

That was why I didn't engage him. I have atheist friends and they really enjoy this type of thing. :) You read it right. 

And he won't try, trust me, I've tried explaining all this stuff to him, many times. I think our back and forths went on for a few months. Sad to say, he's just as rigid in his beliefs as diehard religious people are, he only goes around the internet trying to tell other people why they're wrong for believing in anything unconventional. So, just bless him and let's be on our way.

i agree theres a touch of trollishness here

but he inspired a whole lot of thinking and many affirmative considerate intelligent responses

all good i say

also

GCC is focused on the issue of beleif and spirituality

from our perspective he seems off track...but maybe ...in a moment...a spark of inspiration....an angels subtle evangelism...just one word or sentence....he might find something of value to him.

im actually interested to see if he will respond as sinceerely as we have

enjoy

OMG Feather Winger, I can't believe you used that phrase "intellectual masturbation", I used that phrase a couple of months ago, for the first time ever and a lot of closet intellectual masturbators rose their eyebrows that day.

It certainly put a stop to left-brained-only thinking, that many lean on as the be all end all.

For you to attack those who think, truly shows that you are no light worker or have much wisdom, as those of the light and filled with wisdom know that people who think and people who feel are of the same value, and neither is to be attacked or ridiculed for living in this world using the tools that work best for them.

one.....the people who feel also think.....and everyone has value.  Here is the point.....let me give an example.  What if this guy was asking about love ( or ice cream)...he says..I have read the books and now I will go on the net and ask people...he might even be a sceptic and say there is no love.  I would say to him the same thing I am saying here....go and have the experience, meet a girl (or eat some ice cream)...don´t intellectualize about it. Have the experience and then you can think about it.  Do some meditation, activate the dormant parts of the brain, try being positive and see how you feel......then he can understand.  Don´t sit and wait and wonder about UFO´s, raise your vibrations so that you are in contact with them....this is the point. Don´t moan there is no ascension.....activate your DNA and ascend.  OK

Invalid explanation.  This does not excuse you attacking people who think as you regularly do, people who only think are just as susceptable to being fooled as people who only feel REGULALRLY demonstarte how capable they are of being fooled.

Your lame blithering about "experiencing" does nothing to explain the people who do exactly what you say and still have nothing to show for it, are they just not meditating hard enough? what about the people who do none of those special things you say people arent doing(trying to blame them for the lack of proof of what is being promised) and still have experiences.

Nice try but we can all easily see through your indoctrinational sermon.

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